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Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2026 11:35 pm
by BryanFRitt
Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
If Redshift is running, starting R'n'D results in R'n'D crashing. I think it has something to do with a program called Redshift and/or KDE's Night Light. Because if I exit Redshift (?and/or wait long enough?) R'n'D goes back to working. (?TODO: better test this out?)
To hopefully help with debugging I ran R'n'D with something like
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/usr/bin/gdb --args "${RnDBasePath}${RnDVer}/rocksndiamonds" "--debug"
and pasted crash statements results from gdb and KWin Crash Handler in the attachment.
If the attachment happens to have something that shouldn't be on the Internet (like private personal data passwords, etc...) feel free to delete it, or ask me to remove it if I can.
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2026 1:15 pm
by ncrecc
odd, i also use redshift (1.12) and this has never been an issue for me. i'm on debian 12 with xfce 4.18
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2026 2:09 pm
by Holger
That sounds interesting (or strange, and should definitely not happen), and I would really like to try if I can reproduce this, but I don't know how!
I am using KDE here (using the currently latest stable Kubuntu 24.04.3 LTS with KDE Plasma Version 5.27.12, Kernel 6.8.0-90-generic and X11), so it should be possible to test this using a (hopefully) similar environment than yours.
Update: I have just installed some KDE app called "Redshift", but starting it from the KDE menu just does nothing. I found a tray icon called "redshift-gtk" where I can quit it, causing a pop-up message "Failed to run Redshift ... Could not connect to wayland display ...". So apparently this is a Wayland-only app.
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2026 12:40 am
by BryanFRitt
Holger wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 2:09 pm
That sounds interesting (or strange, and should definitely not happen), and I would really like to try if I can reproduce this, but I don't know how!
I am using KDE here (using the currently latest stable Kubuntu 24.04.3 LTS with KDE Plasma Version 5.27.12, Kernel 6.8.0-90-generic and X11), so it should be possible to test this using a (hopefully) similar environment than yours.
Update: I have just installed some KDE app called "Redshift", but starting it from the KDE menu just does nothing. I found a tray icon called "redshift-gtk" where I can quit it, causing a pop-up message "Failed to run Redshift ... Could not connect to wayland display ...". So apparently this is a Wayland-only app.
Alternate interpretation of error message: Are on Wayland?, and/or does Redshift think you are on Wayland?, and it fails because of that? I see that message when exiting redshift-gtk if I start redshift-gtk without a location given.
redshift-gtk can be given a location with something like this.
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redshift-gtk -l "Latitude:Longitude"
With "Latitude:Longitude" being formatted like "NNN.NN:NNN.NN"
The system that I'm on that has the error is KDE on x11 on Debian Stable 13.3 (going to be updating to the newly released 13.4 after posting this)
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uname -a
Linux RP86XE5 6.12.74+deb13+1-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.12.74-2 (2026-03-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
ncrecc wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2026 1:15 pm
odd, i also use redshift (1.12) and this has never been an issue for me. i'm on debian 12 with xfce 4.18
Thinking about I've also had redshift for a while and haven't had problems with it and R'n'D until recently. Although, I think I may have had Redshift disabled after last major OS update, and just recently re-enabled it.
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2026 12:54 am
by BryanFRitt
Update:
Forks
Since 14 Jun 2020, Redshift development has been abandoned.
Since 27 August 2023, Debian users are recommended to use gammastep, a Redshift fork, instead.[4][5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift_(software)#Forks
https://packages.debian.org/gammastep
Guess I'll try out gammastep.
Update: Tried gammastep, but I think it's Wayland only. So it fails to start here.
Error: Could not connect to wayland display, exiting.
Error: Failed to start adjustment method: wayland
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2026 1:01 am
by filbo
There are three related Debian packages, redshift, redshift-gtk, redshift-qt. The latter being GUIs to the utility. I don't use these so I don't know if any of them stay running as a daemon. I think Bryan should start by clearly staying which of those is(are) in use.
Second, the initial message talks about RnD crashing, but the debug log shows RnD running until manually ^C'd. Needs clarification. Is it that RnD runs but is invisible? If so, how so -- no window, window containing only black, or what?
... just saw the addition about `gammastep`. That's probably a solution for you, but sounds like there is some RnD bug here that might still want fixing...
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2026 1:09 am
by filbo
Ok I see it's redshift-gtk under KDE X11. Had somehow glossed over those details on first read. Holger seems to have fired up an equivalent setup, except Ubuntu, and maybe not starting `redshift` successfully since it requires latlong argument.
Given the top-level split in *ix desktop environments... If you're on KDE, I would expect that `redshift-qt` would be the native control GUI?
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2026 1:21 am
by filbo
From the Debian package dependencies (on things like XCB randr library), and gammastep bug tracker, it's clear that it's intended to work on both X11 & Wayland. But setup might be tricky.
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2026 1:31 am
by BryanFRitt
filbo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2026 1:01 am
There are three related Debian packages, redshift, redshift-gtk, redshift-qt. The latter being GUIs to the utility. I don't use these so I don't know if any of them stay running as a daemon. I think Bryan should start by clearly staying which of those is(are) in use.
Second, the initial message talks about RnD
crashing, but the debug log shows RnD running until manually ^C'd. Needs clarification. Is it that RnD runs but is invisible? If so, how so -- no window, window containing only black, or what?
... just saw the addition about `gammastep`. That's probably a solution for you, but sounds like there is some RnD bug here that might still want fixing...
Sadly it seems that Gammastep is Wayland only, and not x11. (see updated prior post)
When the R'n'D startup crash happens KWin Crash Handler pops up with it's message and debugging info. The ^C was after copying info from KWin Crash Handler. (switched the order the text file to keep the gdb stuff together) Does the KWin Crash Handler keep the app sort of running in a paused like state so it can produce debugging info?
Not sure why but I've been using redshift-gtk instead of redshift-qt. I probably should be using redshift-qt instead of redshift-gtk since I'm on KDE and not GNOME, not sure what a difference it'll make*, but I'll try it.
* ("integrates better with a Qt-based desktop" is what the package manager says)
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2026 2:21 am
by filbo
Editing posts, especially in an active discussion, leads to confusing temporal anomalies...
I've downloaded but not installed the Debian `gammastep` package. It is 100% clear that it's intended to work with X11 as well as Wayland. Try fiddling with its '-m' flag, for one thing.
Definitely have to fault the authors of `redshift` and then especially the much newer `gammashift` modernized fork for extremely shoddy documentation. In general it barely mentions X11 vs Wayland at all, despite it being a fundamental issue of concern for 100.00% of all potential users. feh. Also not much impressed at how `gammastep` is clearly a fork, but seems to have only accidental remaining references to `redshift` (e.g. the man page's title strings, so it says 'REDSHIFT(1)' in the corners of 'gammastep - set color temperature of display according to time of day' man page).
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2026 2:24 am
by filbo
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$ gammastep -m list
Available adjustment methods:
wayland
drm
randr
dummy
Specify colon-separated options with `-m METHOD:OPTIONS'.
Try `-m METHOD:help' for help.
$ gammastep -m randr:help
Adjust gamma ramps with the X RANDR extension.
screen=N X screen to apply adjustments to
crtc=N List of comma separated CRTCs to apply adjustments to
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2026 2:30 am
by filbo
No idea what 'KWin Crash Handler' does, I generally hate those things which get between me and actually being able to understand Linux app crashes. Just write a frickin core file in /var/crash or /var/core and get out of my way!!...
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2026 4:33 pm
by BryanFRitt
filbo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2026 2:24 am
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$ gammastep -m list
Available adjustment methods:
wayland
drm
randr
dummy
Specify colon-separated options with `-m METHOD:OPTIONS'.
Try `-m METHOD:help' for help.
$ gammastep -m randr:help
Adjust gamma ramps with the X RANDR extension.
screen=N X screen to apply adjustments to
crtc=N List of comma separated CRTCs to apply adjustments to
Thanks filbo for the gammastep setup help.
/usr/bin/gammastep -l "NNN.NN:NNN.NN" -m randr -r & # where NNN.NN:NNN.NN is my location
Starts up without giving an error message.
This R'n'D crashing issue so far seems to only happen during the transition periods, sunrise/sunset. Time to wait(, or cheat the TimeOfDay and/or Location, etc...).
filbo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2026 2:21 am
Editing posts, especially in an active discussion, leads to confusing temporal anomalies...
yep, lol
New attachment was made after installing some dbgsym packages to help remove the ??? in the KWin Crash Handler backtrace. (For lines with a '???' lookup the '*.so*' on that line with `apt-file search 'the*.so*'` and install the '*-dbgsym' version of the packages mentioned, then reload backtrace; Repeat until there are no ??? that can be gotten rid of this way.) This time things were kept in the order that they were done.
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2026 12:07 am
by filbo
googling on the name of the function which is assert()ing, `epoxy_get_proc_address`, I find:
https://github.com/anholt/libepoxy/issues/241, leading to
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433589 -- which 'solved' a similar problem by resetting KWin settings. I suggest trying that, keeping copies of the old files for further examination if replacing them turns out to fix it...
It seems like RnD isn't really crashing at all, rather, `KWin_X11` is crashing and consequently killing RnD?
Re: Starting Rocks'n'Diamonds when redshift program is running causes R'n'D to crash.
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2026 11:36 pm
by BryanFRitt
filbo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2026 12:07 am
googling on the name of the function which is assert()ing, `epoxy_get_proc_address`, I find:
https://github.com/anholt/libepoxy/issues/241, leading to
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433589 -- which 'solved' a similar problem by resetting KWin settings. I suggest trying that, keeping copies of the old files for further examination if replacing them turns out to fix it...
It seems like RnD isn't really crashing at all, rather, `KWin_X11` is crashing and consequently killing RnD?
If the above does work, it sounds like too much trouble to get working.
KDE also has a built-in "Night Light", but it doesn't work for more than a few seconds unless it's system tray settings are messed with at least once after boot; obviously a bug there. Also this KDE "Night Light" doesn't work if "Redshift" is running. Make sure to exit Redshift first.
I found a script that says running it would do the equivalent to messing with the system tray settings. Not sure, but it seems to be an Ubuntu thing not a Debian thing because it doesn't work for me.
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/usr/bin/qdbus org.kde.kglobalaccel /component/kwin invokeShortcut "Toggle Night Color"
Cannot find '.invokeShortcut' in object /component/kwin at org.kde.kglobalaccel
Locations for things mentioned:
K Menu > System Settings > Color & Themes > Night Light > ...
System Tray > Brightness and Color > Night Light > ...
(lol... this mismatch of naming isn't my doing)