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ALTERMAVEN                        2021-08-10 23:20
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I'M SURE THERE'S SOME SHENENIGANS ABOUT LIBERATING ONE OF THE BOULDERS AND NOT NEEDING THE MAGIC WALL BUT .... ;)

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DUSTIN                            2021-08-11 14:42
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AH, YOU MEAN YOU WANNA THROW THE LIBERATED | THROUGH THE MAGIC WALL AND CONVERT THE AMOEBA THIS WAY? BUT YOU'D STILL NEED AT LEAST ONE PIECE OF MAGIC WALL THEN ;)  
COULD BE AN INTERESTING IDEA FOR A REMAKE, THOUGH :D

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ALTERMAVEN                        2021-08-11 16:08
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I HAVE FOUND DOING THAT IS ACTUALLY WORSE THAN JUST LETTING THE AMOEBA OVERFLOW, CONSIDERING THERE'S ALREADY A GAP FOR THE RESULTING DIAMONDS TO GO THROUGH THE WALL AND TURN INTO BOULDERS. WHICH IS BAD!

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DUSTIN                            2021-08-11 17:53
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HMM... MAYBE IT'S STILL POSSIBLE TO GET MORE \\\ THAT WAY. AFTER ALL, WITH THE INTENDED METHOD YOU ALSO WON'T CONVERT EVERY |||.

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DARKSTOORM                        2021-08-11 20:29
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;)

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DARKSTOORM                        2021-08-12 12:55
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I LIKE HOW IT'S POSSIBLE TO EXCEED AMOEBA GROWTH LIMIT :D

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DUSTIN                            2021-08-13 09:48
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OH, VERY INTERESTING! NOW I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS ALSO POSSIBLE WITH OTHER BD ENGINES :D  
  
BUT THINKING OF IT, IT'S QUITE LOGICAL: IF AN AMOEBA OVERGROWS, THE "CONVERT INTO |||" CHECKMARK IS ACTIVATED ONLY AT THE END OF THE CAVESCAN. SO THE MAGIC WALL STILL HAD THE CHANCE TO SET THE "CONVERT INTO \\\" CHECKMARK" DURING THE CAVESCAN :D

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NESDORI                           2021-08-13 10:27
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IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO GET "OVER AMOEBA LIMIT" NUMBER OF \:S WITH THE ORIGINAL BD1 BUG. ALL AMOEBAS WHICH ARE SCANNED BEFORE THE | WHICH FALLS INTO THE MAGIC WALL TRIGGERING THE BUG MUST BE ENCLOSED OR OTHERWISE CONVERSION WON'T HAPPEN. AND BECAUSE SCANNING IS RESTARTED AFTER SCANNING THE FALLING | FREE AMOEBAS WHICH WOULD BE NORMALLY SCANNED AFTER IT NEVER GET A CHANGE TO GROW DURING THAT FRAME. CONVERSION TO \:S WILL OCCUR DURING THE NEXT FRAME SO THERE AGAIN AMOEBAS DON'T GET A CHANCE TO GROW ANYMORE.

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NESDORI                           2021-08-13 10:50
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THERE'S ONE INTERESTING BD1 BUG CASE: WHAT IF AMOEBA REACHES THE LIMIT AND ALL AMOEBAS ARE BELOW THE MAGIC WALL AND IMMEDIATELY DURING THE NEXT FRAME | FALLS INTO THE MAGIC WALL AND BUG OCCURS. AMOEBA IS NOT YET CONVERTED INTO | DURING THAT FRAME BECAUSE OF SCANNING RESTART. IN THAT CASE BOTH AMOEBA STATUSES ARE TRUE DURING THE NEXT FRAME; LIMIT HAVE BEEN REACHED AND AMOEBA WAS FULLY ENCLOSED DURING THE LAST FRAME (OR AT LEAST THE ENGINE THINKS SO BECAUSE OF THE BUG). THEN IT'S A MATTER OF RULING ORDER AND I ACTUALLY CHECKED BD1 ASSEMBLY CODE TO FIND OUT WHICH RULE IS STRONGER. THE LIMIT CHECK IS DONE FIRST SO CONVERTING TO | IS STRONGER RULE THAN CONVERTING TO \. SO IT INDEED IS NOT POSSIBLE TO PASS THE LIMIT EVEN IN THIS SPECIAL CASE :)