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slime off
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NESDORI                           2020-12-17 18:59
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NICE EFFECT :) THE CYCLE LENGTH OF C64 RNG WITH DEFAULT PLCK SEED (30) IS 949 WHICH IS DIVIDED BY 73 AND SO SOME OF THE SLIMES WILL NEVER GET CHANCE TO LET OBJECTS FALL THROUGH. AS 949 IS ALSO DIVISIBLE BY 13 THIS EFFECT CAN ALSO BE SEEN WITH JUST 13 SLIMES; 4 OF THEM WILL NEVER  LET OBJECTS FALL WITH THE SAME PERMEABILITY 6 USED IN THIS CAVE. AND BECAUSE BOTH 73 AND 13 ARE PRIMES IT'S ALSO EASY TO CONCLUDE THAT THESE ARE ONLY NUMBER OF SLIMES (UNDED 949) WHERE THIS IS POSSIBLE. AND THIS IS OF COURSE ALSO POSSIBLE IF THE NUMBER OF SLIMES IS N * 949 :)

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ARNO                              2020-12-17 19:11
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COOL! ;-D

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DUSTIN                            2020-12-17 19:44
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AH! I ONLY HAD arno'S 73-CYCLE IN MIND, WHICH IS INDEPENDANT OF THE INITIAL SEED.  SO I THINK 73 SLIMES SHOULD ALSO WORK WITH DIFFERENT INITIAL SEED. I'LL CHECK BD2-E ON HIGHER LEVELS TO TEST THAT!

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DUSTIN                            2020-12-17 19:47
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SAME EFFECT ON HIGHER BD2-E LEVELS. SO WITH 73 SLIMES, THE INITIAL SEED DOES NOT MATTER! FOR 13 SLIMES, IT COULD MATTER THOUGH.

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NESDORI                           2020-12-17 20:10
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dustin, I'LL SAVE SOME OF YOUR TIME. 73 WON'T WORK WITH ALL SEEDS. HERE'S THE COMPLETE LIST OF CYCLE LENGTHS FOR EACH SEED. TO GET NEVER-FALL EFFECT, FIND SOME DIVIDER FOR THE CYCLE LENGTH OF CHOSEN SEED. ALSO, IT OF COURSE VARIES HOW MANY INITIAL NUMBERS IT'S POSSIBLE TO FETCH FROM THE RNG BEFORE THE CYCLE STARTS. IF THE END OF FIRST CYCLE IS REACHED WITH "SOME CYCLE DIVIDER NUMBER OF SLIMES" THEN IT'S GUARANTEED THAT THE SLIMES WHICH HAVEN'T YET LET OBJECTS FALL THROUGH WILL NEVER DO IT.  
  
0: 851  
1: 194  
2: 904  
3: 1196  
4: 884  
5: 665  
6: 791  
7: 1010  
8: 844  
9: 625  
10: 386  
11: 167  
12: 804  
13: 1786  
14: 1587  
15: 1766  
16: 253  
17: 797  
18: 233  
19: 850  
20: 1527  
21: 903  
22: 704  
23: 1321  
24: 757  
25: 1228  
26: 989  
27: 1281  
28: 969  
29: 823  
30: 949  
31: 292  
32: 564  
33: 637  
34: 179  
35: 690  
36: 1546  
37: 2057  
38: 1453  
39: 1015  
40: 2017  
41: 1141  
42: 1121  
43: 1632  
44: 1539  
45: 1864  
46: 935  
47: 457  
48: 550  
49: 875  
50: 92  
51: 1001  
52: 324  
53: 105  
54: 304  
55: 1472  
56: 1160  
57: 941  
58: 1724  
59: 556  
60: 317  
61: 98  
62: 297  
63: 1903  
64: 1080  
65: 861  
66: 695  
67: 914  
68: 1186  
69: 456  
70: 144  
71: 1637  
72: 927  
73: 668  
74: 980  
75: 1962  
76: 11  
77: 190  
78: 867  
79: 681  
80: 482  
81: 1099  
82: 24  
83: 1882  
84: 767  
85: 1497  
86: 747  
87: 90  
88: 654  
89: 946  
90: 780  
91: 342  
92: 833  
93: 833  
94: 813  
95: 813  
96: 209  
97: 720  
98: 1722  
99: 335  
100: 315  
101: 1264  
102: 733  
103: 1058  
104: 129  
105: 1038  
106: 182  
107: 507  
108: 2060  
109: 122  
110: 394  
111: 1124  
112: 374  
113: 1542  
114: 281  
115: 500  
116: 334  
117: 115  
118: 825  
119: 1993  
120: 294  
121: 1024  
122: 639  
123: 858  
124: 1641  
125: 911  
126: 1183  
127: 453  
128: 1528  
129: 685  
130: 705  
131: 154  
132: 758  
133: 499  
134: 552  
135: 1063  
136: 1919  
137: 605  
138: 950  
139: 1023  
140: 127  
141: 857  
142: 2078  
143: 910  
144: 1109  
145: 1839  
146: 1016  
147: 359  
148: 193  
149: 923  
150: 1195  
151: 976  
152: 2051  
153: 770  
154: 60  
155: 312  
156: 624  
157: 219  
158: 1115  
159: 345  
160: 836  
161: 1785  
162: 816  
163: 378  
164: 285  
165: 796  
166: 849  
167: 849  
168: 1778  
169: 1340  
170: 809  
171: 371  
172: 716  
173: 716  
174: 1718  
175: 1718  
176: 311  
177: 311  
178: 729  
179: 1054  
180: 1950  
181: 523  
182: 2003  
183: 430  
184: 1983  
185: 994  
186: 941  
187: 1047  
188: 1067  
189: 954  
190: 609  
191: 861  
192: 1790  
193: 914  
194: 383  
195: 456  
196: 801  
197: 1312  
198: 1803  
199: 708  
200: 1418  
201: 761  
202: 1836  
203: 741  
204: 356  
205: 137  
206: 920  
207: 701  
208: 462  
209: 754  
210: 880  
211: 37  
212: 787  
213: 966  
214: 1278  
215: 1822  
216: 820  
217: 999  
218: 103  
219: 103  
220: 521  
221: 1470  
222: 428  
223: 428  
224: 992  
225: 992  
226: 534  
227: 534  
228: 952  
229: 952  
230: 348  
231: 1297  
232: 1350  
233: 912  
234: 892  
235: 892  
236: 799  
237: 1124  
238: 633  
239: 593  
240: 686  
241: 938  
242: 1104  
243: 1502  
244: 1011  
245: 606  
246: 626  
247: 513  
248: 168  
249: 858  
250: 400  
251: 911  
252: 1767  
253: 1840  
254: 798  
255: 1747

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NESDORI                           2020-12-17 20:16
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HMM.. THERE'S A BUG IN MY CODE :O

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NESDORI                           2020-12-17 20:18
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dustin, NOW FIXED. AND YOU ARE ACTUALLY RIGHT. THE CYCLE LENGTH OF EACH SEED IS 949. SO 73 AND 13 WORK FOR EVERY SEED.

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NESDORI                           2020-12-17 20:23
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BUT THE LENGTH INITIAL SEQUENCE VARIES. SO THE NUMBER OF SLIMES WHICH NEVER LET THROUGH VARIES FROM SEED TO SEED. IF THE INITIAL SEQUENCE IS LONG, THERE MIGHT BE JUST 3/13 SLIMES OR EVEN LESS AND WITH A SHORT SEQUENCE 5/13. I DIDN'T CHECK WHAT THE PRECISE FULL RANGE WOULD BE WITH 13 SLIMES.

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DUSTIN                            2020-12-17 21:09
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nesdori, THX FOR SAVING MY TIME, BUT WHAT ABOUT YOURS? :D  
  
WELL, AS arno ALREADY PROVED ON HIS HP THAT THE SEED2 VALUE (WHICH IS INDEPENDANT OF SEED1) ALWAYS ENDS IN A 73-CYCLE, IT WOULD HAVE SURPRISED ME A LOT IF THE OVERALL CYCLE LENGTH COULD EVER BE NOT A MULTIPLE OF 73 :D   
  
THAT IT'S ALWAYS 13*73 IS VERY NICE; THEN IT'S NOT ALWAYS NECESSARY TO SPAM THAT MANY SLIMES INTO THE CAVE TO GET THE EFFECT :D

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NESDORI                           2020-12-17 21:22
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dustin, I TRIED TO SAVE MY TIME FIRST BY COPY/PASTING OLD CODE AND THEN BY NOT CHECKING IT THOROUGHLY. BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS WISE THING TO DO.. :D