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cso119 remix(invinciblE exit)
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nesdori
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NESDORI                           2021-01-10 20:16
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A REMIX OF dustin'S CSO 119. THERE'S A LITTLE SURPRISE.. :)

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ARNO                              2021-01-12 11:12
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NO CLUE OVERHERE YET... :-()  
  
ASSUMING THAT THERE IS NO HIDDEN EXIT (WHICH I WOULDN'T EXPECT FROM nesdori ;), I'M QUITE SURE THAT THE FF IS STILL NEEDED TO DELAY THE | FOR THE BB EXPLOSION, BUT THE FF MUST SOMEHOW SURVIVE THE EXPLOSION...

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NESDORI                           2021-01-12 11:20
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SINCE THERE HAVE BEEN NO MORE TRIES LATELY I'LL GIVE A HINT:  
  
THERE ARE BASICALLY TWO OPTIONS:  
  
1: USE THE RIGHT SIDE | TO HIT THE BLFY IN SUCH WAY THAT THE FFLY SURVIVES AND THEN HIT THE FFLY WITH THE LEFT SIDE |  
  
2: HIT THE BFLY DIRECTLY WITH THE LEFT SIDE |  
  
THE INTENDED SOLUTION IS #2 AND I DON'T THINK #1 IS POSSIBLE. IF ANYONE CAN DO #1, I'LL BE VERY MUCH INTERESTED TO SEE THE SOLUTION :)  
  
BTW.. I HAVE ONE MORE IDEA FOR ANOTHER REMIX WHICH WILL BE RELEASED AFTER THIS :)

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SHREDDER                          2021-01-12 11:41
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I DID SOME TRIES IN THE CKIT. FEW COMBINATIONS WITH FF AND BF BLAST AT LEFT SIDE, BUT WITHOUT SUCCESS :D I WANT TO TRY ONE MORE AFTER WORK. VERY INTERESTING IDEA.

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NESDORI                           2021-01-12 13:54
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shredder, YOU'LL GET IT :) THE SEQUENCE IS BEAUTIFUL; LIKE A FLY LOVE STORY :D  
  
I DIDN'T EXCEPT THIS PUZZLE TO BE THIS HARD. IT SEEMS THAT THIS IS ANOTHER TRICKY "3 DYNAMIC OBJECTS" PUZZLE (IF YOU EXCLUDE ONE PASSIVE | AND THE RIGHT SIDE DECOY |:S) :)

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SHREDDER                          2021-01-12 15:52
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nesdori, I'M STARTING TO DOUBT, BECAUSE I'M RUNNING OUT OF IDEAS.   
I'VE TRIED SO MANY THINGS... I CAN DO THE "DANCE", BUT EVERYTIME, THE BOULDER DROPS INSTEAD OF SMASH THE BFLY.

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DUSTIN                            2021-01-12 17:23
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THIS PUZZLE WAS A VERY NICE ONE FOR ME TO TRY OUT SOME RETROGRADE ANALYSIS, I.E. I STARTED WITH THE FINAL SITUATION WHERE THE BF GETS CRUSHED AND THEN WORKED BACKWARDS FRAME BY FRAME.  
  
AND HERE'S MY RESULT: WE HAVE TO CREATE THE FOLLOWING SITUATION:  
.B..  
T.TT  
|^..  
|..F  
  
THE DOTS REPRESENT EMPTY SPACE, WHILE SOME OF THEM CAN ALSO BE DIRT. IF ^ NOW MOVES RIGHT, EVERYTHING WILL WORK MAGICALLY AND THE B GETS CRUSHED IN EXACTLY 7 FRAMES!  
  
ALL THAT'S LEFT TO DO IS TO ARRANGE THIS SCENARIO :D

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DUSTIN                            2021-01-12 17:24
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EDIT: THE B CURRENTLY FACES RIGHT OR DOWN, READY TO MOVE DOWN. THE F FACES LEFT.

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NESDORI                           2021-01-12 17:57
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dustin, YOUR ASCII-ART SCENARIO IS THE INTENDED SOLUTION! :)

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SHREDDER                          2021-01-12 17:59
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CONGRATS dustin! WELL DONE! HAT OFF! ;)

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DUSTIN                            2021-01-12 18:08
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THX GUYS :) AND ALSO SORRY FOR SPOILING THE THEORETICAL SOLUTION. IT WAS SUCH AN ENLIGHTMENT WHEN I REALIZED THAT THIS ACTUALLY WORKS THAT I JUST HAD TO SHARE IT IMMEDIATELY :D BUT IN HINDSIGHT, I SHOULD HAVE KEPT THE SOLUTION ON MY PAPER IN CASE ANYONE ELSE STILL WANTS TO TRY FOR HIMSELF!?!

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SHREDDER                          2021-01-12 18:08
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MAYBE WITH THE NEXT nesdori'S REMIX, I WILL BE SUCCESSFUL :D I HOPE, WE'LL SEE ;)

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SHREDDER                          2021-01-12 18:09
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YEAH, BUT I FEEL RELAXED NOW :D I'M NOT ANGRY ;)

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DUSTIN                            2021-01-12 18:50
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GOOD TO READ THAT :)

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ARNO                              2021-01-12 18:53
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AH COOL! I TRIED A SIMILAR PAPERWORK EXERCISE GOING BACKWARD FRAME BY FRAME, BUT OVERLOOKED SOMETHING AT THE POINT WHERE THE BF IS DIRECTLY ABOVE THE FF. :-)

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SHREDDER                          2021-01-12 18:59
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HI arno! HOW ARE YOU? :)   
I RATHER DO TRIAL AND ERROR METHOD WITH EXPERIMENTING IN THE CKIT ;)

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ARNO                              2021-01-12 19:43
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YEAH I'M FINE THANK YOU! HERE THE LOCKDOWN HAS BEEN EXTENDED UNTIL FEBRUARY 9, BUT WITH ME AND MY ENVIRONMENT ALL IS STILL OK :-)  
  
YES BOTH METHODS CAN BE SUCCESSFUL! :-)  
  
I REMEMBER DOING VARIOUS OF SUCH PAPERWORK APPROACHES TO FIND LAUNCH METHODS FOR DFF'S (CASSIOPEIA, SINKING-F6 AND 6-ELEMENTS).  
  
BUT WITH THIS CAVE, AT SOME POINT I CONCLUDED THAT THE REQUIRED SETUP WERE ONLY POSSIBLE IF THE BF AND FF ARE ON THE SAME POSITION IN THE PREVIOUS FRAME, BUT THAT WAS A MISTAKE... ;-)

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DUSTIN                            2021-01-12 22:09
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SOMETIMES PAPERWORK CAN BE REALLY TIME-SAVING IF THERE'S SOME CLEAR STARTING POINT! OTHERWISE, TRIAL-AND-ERROR MIGHT BE THE BEST ONE CAN DO... I REMEMBER FINDING THE SWARM DFF'S EXCLUSIVELY BY TRIAL-AND-ERRORING WITH BIG FF/BF MASSES. ON THE OTHER HAND, IN A CAVE LIKE THIS ONE, I THINK THAT PAPERWORK MIGHT BE FASTER BECAUSE THERE IS A CLEAR STARTING POINT: THE LAST 1-2 FRAMES BEFORE THE EXPLOSION CAN EASILY BE RECONSTRUCTED, SO IT'S TEMPTING TO LOOK DEEPER INTO THE PAST FRAME BY FRAME... ;)