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cavescanning order 33 snoococ
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dustin
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DUSTIN                            2020-05-19 08:07
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35 YEARS AFTER ROCKFORD'S REVENGE, NOW THE BUTTERFLIES TAKE THEIR OWN REVENGE AND HAVE TURNED THEIR COCOONS UPSIDE DOWN...  
  
NO FLAG, BUT I'VE TESTED EVERY TRICKY PART OF THIS SEPERATELY AND I'M PRETTY SURE IT WORKS, BUT IT'S QUITE PUZZLING ;D

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NESDORI                           2020-05-19 11:52
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AHAHAA! THIS IS SO GOOD! ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT OF CSO SERIES CAVES AND SO ONE OF MY FAVORITES AS WELL.  
  
MAY THIS BE THE FINAL NEWCOMER TEST FOR darkstoorm; IF YOU CAN SOLVE THIS WITHOUT ANY HINTS, YOU ARE OFFICIALLY A BAD-ASS BD SOLVER! :)

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-19 13:11
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I THINK I HAVE AN IDEA, BUT I WILL TRY IT IN 5 HOURS ONCE I GET BACK FROM WORK :D

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-19 19:12
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nesdori, I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, BUT DUE TO THE LUCK REQUIRED, I CAN'T PULL THAT OFF :D  
  
I WILL KEEP TRYING ANYWAY!

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NESDORI                           2020-05-19 19:31
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darkstoorm, DEPENDING HOW YOU DO IT, THE SUCCESS RATE CAN BE UP TO 50%. KEEP TRYING! :)

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DUSTIN                            2020-05-19 19:41
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I THINK IT SHOULD BE POSSIBLE TO ORGANIZE EVERYTHING IN A WAY THAT YOU GET A NEW LUCKY TRY EVERY FEW SECONDS ;D

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NESDORI                           2020-05-19 19:46
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dustin, THAT'S TRUE :)

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-19 19:46
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PERHAPS I'M DOING IT THE WRONG WAY, PUSHING THE BOULDER OFF OF THE DIAMOND DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK FOR ME AT ALL, THE EXPLOSION CONSUMES THE DIAMOND BEFORE I CAN SNAP IT :D   
  
GOTTA FIND ANOTHER WAY I GUESS!

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NESDORI                           2020-05-19 19:49
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darkstoorm, YOU ARE RIGHT; DOING IT THAT WAY ALWAYS CONSUMES A DIAMOND

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NESDORI                           2020-05-19 20:02
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I HAD 136 SECONDS LEFT IN MY RUN, SO I CAN TRY ABOUT 68 TIMES WITH 50% SUCCESS RATE. SO THE PROBABILITY TO GET A SUCCESSFUL RUN THAT WAY IS 0.9999999999999999999966. I'M STILL ASTONISHED THAT dustin PUBLISHES A  CAVE REQUIRING THAT MUCH LUCK! :D

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-19 20:12
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ALRIGHT, YOU WIN, I GIVE UP :D   
  
CAN'T SEEM TO FIND ANY WAY TO USE THE BOULDERS. I BET I'M MISSING SOMETHING OBVIOUS

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NESDORI                           2020-05-19 20:15
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darkstoorm, ONCE AGAIN, YOUR BASIC PRINCIPLE IS CORRECT. YOU JUST NEED TUNE IT WITH SOMETHING WHICH WILL GIVE YOU 1-2 FRAMES MORE TIME TO SNAP A DIAMOND.

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-19 20:28
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OOOOOH! SO I NEEDED 2 BFLIES FOR THAT... THIS IS COOL! NOW ANOTHER 100 ATTEMPTS TO MAKE IT WORK :D

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NESDORI                           2020-05-19 20:28
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darkstoorm, BINGO! :)

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NESDORI                           2020-05-19 20:42
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darkstoorm, HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED USING THE EDITOR TO PRACTISE TRICKY PARTS WITHOUT ALWAYS PLAYING OUT THE ACTUAL CAVE? MANY PLAYERS DO IT AND I DON'T THINK IT'S CONSIDERED CHEATING, IT'S JUST PRACTISING :)

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-19 20:56
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YES, I POSITIONED EVERYTHING TO JUST HIT F5 AND RETRY IT OVER AND OVER. I CAN DO IT IN THE EDITOR, BUT IT'S SO HARD TO GET THE BFLIES TO BEHAVE LIKE I WANT THEM TO IN THE FULL RUN. THAT'S THE HARDEST THING FOR ME TO LEARN SO FAR :D

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DUSTIN                            2020-05-19 21:32
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FUNNILY, MY THINKING PROCESS WAS THE SAME AS darkstoorm'S.  
  
SOME WEEKS AGO: "HMMM, WHAT ABOUT TURNING BD2-O UPSIDE DOWN? IS THIS ANY INTERESTING? HMM... OH, RELESAING THIS BFLY REQUIRES A NEAT LITTLE CSO-TRICK... OH, AND THAT BFLY WON'T COME TO THE AREA OF THE BOULDERS AT ALL, SO I NEED ANOTHER BFLY TO INFLUENCE IT... SO, THIS LOOKS VERY INTERESTING INDEED! OK, HOW ABOUT THE 4TH EXPLOSION...HMM...HMMMMMMMM... DAMN, IT'S SO CLOSE... BUT HOW TO SAVE THAT DAMN DIAMOND THAT HELPS ME WITH THE BOULDER? AAAAHHHH, IT'S ONE FRAME TOO LATE! IT'S SUCH A PITY, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK :("  
  
TODAY: "HEY, WHAT WAS THAT PROBLEM WITH THE REVERSED CAVE O? AH, YES, I SEE... THAT DIAMOND ALWAYS GOT LOST... BUT IT'S SO CLOSE... AND IT WOULD BE SUCH A NICE IDEA TO JUST TURN THE 35-YEAR-OLD CAVE UPSIDE DOWN WITHOUT ANY OTHER CHANGES AND MAKE A MEGA PUZZLE OUT OF IT!   
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AH, HOW ABOUT USING T W O BUTTERFLIES? *TESTS* WORKS! GREAT! MADE MY DAY! ;D"

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NESDORI                           2020-05-19 21:38
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dustin, THIS CAVE IS AWESOME! SOMETHING THAT IS QUITE IMPOSSIBLE FOR A HUMAN TO CREATE FROM A SCRATH BUT IS ONLY POSSIBLE BY TURNING EXISTING CAVES UPSIDE DOWN OR BY TWIDDLING WITH RANDOM SEEDS :)

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DUSTIN                            2020-05-19 21:44
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nesdori, I'M CONVINCED THAT PETER LIEPA HAD THAT IDEA IN MIND WHEN HE PLACED EVERYTHING IN THAT CAVE AS HE PLACED IT. I ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT THE DEEPER SENSE OF BD2-O WAS BECAUSE IT WAS SO MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER CAVES - MUCH MORE SPECIFIC, NO REAL 5 LEVELS ETC. - BUT NOW I FINALLY KNOW IT! ;D

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-19 22:20
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NEVER AGAIN! HAHAHA THAT WAS THE MOST FRUSTRATING EXPERIENCE :D

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DUSTIN                            2020-05-19 23:34
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CONGRATULATIONS, YOU... HOW WAS IT... BAD-ASS BD PLAYER OR SO ;D

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SHREDDER                          2020-05-19 23:40
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WOW! WHAT A CAVE! :) NOW IT'S MY TURN :P

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-19 23:47
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I WISH, dustin ;D

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SHREDDER                          2020-05-20 00:13
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darkstoorm, SETTING THE RIGHT GAP BETWEEN BFLIES IS NOT SO HARD. YOU JUST NEED TECHNIQUE.   
  
FOR INSPIRATION, YOU CAN CHECK FEW CAVES WITH THIS TECHNIQUE IMPLEMENTED.   
  
FOR EXAMPLE: PRO HORROR MOD, AMOEBA LUCK... AND MANY OTHERS :)

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-20 00:28
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shredder, I EVENTUALLY FOUND OUT THAT YOU EITHER HAVE TO CREATE A 1-PIECE HOLE SOMEWHERE ON THEIR PATH OR CREATE A "CORNER" SO THEY GO BACK TO 1-SPACE-GAP.  
  
THE SOLUTION WAS CRAZY HARD FOR ME, I DON'T HAVE THAT LOW REACTION TIME :D IN THE FOUR SUCCESSFUL SNAPS I DIED TWICE AND WENT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. GLAD I GOT THIS OUT OF THE WAY :-D

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SHREDDER                          2020-05-20 00:34
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HMM... YOU DON'T HAVE TO SET 1-SPACE-GAP. STANDARD 2-SPACES GAP SUFFICES. IT'S MORE STABLE.

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SHREDDER                          2020-05-20 11:59
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OK, THERE IS NO MORE ATTEMPTS. HOW ABOUT REVEALING THE SOLUTIONS? :)

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-20 12:01
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SURE, THERE'S MY CLUMSY RUN :D

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SHREDDER                          2020-05-20 12:19
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IT'S ALL RIGHT TO ME :) \\\

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NESDORI                           2020-05-20 12:37
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MINE FREE TOO. SO YOU BOTH CHOSE PUSH-TO-THE-LEFT, INTERESTING :)

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SHREDDER                          2020-05-20 12:42
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YES I CONSIDERED BOTH BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY, MORE COMFORTABLE PLAY TO ME WAS THE STRATEGY FROM MY DEMO ;)

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NESDORI                           2020-05-20 13:02
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WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I THOUGHT THAT THE-RIGHT-PUSH WHERE THE BOULDER GETS SCANNED BEFORE THE LEADING FLY GIVES ONE FRAME ADVANTAGE TO THE-LEFT-PUSH BECUASE THE BOULDER STAYS IN PLACE ONE FRAME LONGER AND SO THERE CAN BE TWO PUSH TRIES AND STILL IT'S POSSIBLE TO PICK THE DIAMOND. BUT NOW THAT I CHECKED IT, THE-LEFT-PUSH WITH 2-GAP FLIES ACTUALLY WORKS THE SAME WAY AND THERE ALSO TWO CONSECUTIVE PUSHES CAN BE TRIED AND ITS SUCCESS RATE ALSO IS 50%. SO I KINDA MISREAD THE-RIGHT-PUSH BEING A LITTLE BETTER AND IN FACT THEY ARE EQUAL :)

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ARNO                              2020-05-20 13:19
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COOL, GREAT RUNS GUYS! :-D

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-20 13:20
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I ASSUMED BOTH RUNS WOULD BE THE SAME, BECAUSE THE BOULDER IS SCANNED FIRST, SO IT WON'T ROLL OFF AS IT DETECTS THE PATH IS BLOCKED FOR TWO FRAMES, BUT FOR SOME REASON I CHOSE THE LEFT SIDE ANYWAY.

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DUSTIN                            2020-05-20 22:31
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nesdori, I HEREBY USE THE ONLY CHANCE I'LL PROBABLY EVER GET TO CORRECT YOU MATHEMATICALLY: THE CHANCE OF A BOULDER PUSH WITH TWO ATTEMPTS IS 7:16 AND NOT 50% ;D  
  
CONGRATS TO ALL SOLVERS - SO THE SOLUTION I THOUGHT OF REALLY SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY POSSIBLE ONE.

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DUSTIN                            2020-05-20 22:36
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I THINK THAT THE ADVANTAGE OF A RIGHT-PUSH STRATEGY IS THAT YOU CAN THEN TRAP THE TWO BFLIES ON A LOOP SO YOU GET A CHANCE TO PUSH THE BOULDER EVERY FEW SECONDS! INTERESTINGLY, nesdori, THOUGH USING A RIGHT-PUSH STRATEGY, DID NOT DO THAT!

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SHREDDER                          2020-05-20 22:50
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dustin, I DO LEFT PUSH AFTER IMPRISONING 2 BF :)

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NESDORI                           2020-05-20 23:16
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dustin, YES I KNOW IT'S NOT EXACTLY 50% BUT IT WAS A DELIBERATE SIMPLIFICATION :)

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SHREDDER                          2020-05-20 23:41
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CAN'T WAIT FOR ANOTHER CSO CAVE FROM dustin :)

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DUSTIN                            2020-05-21 00:33
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THX shredder ;D HOWEVER I CAN'T PROMISE WHEN AND IF THERE WILL BE ANOTHER CSO CAVE. I THINK CSO 1-30 COVERED ALMOST EVERYTHING THERE IS ON THAT TOPIC, BUT ONCE AND A WHILE, I DO GET A NEW CAVE IDEA WHICH HAS ENOUGH CSO IDEAS TO CONTINUE THE SERIES ;D ALSO, OF COURSE, THERE ARE MANY OTHER CAVES FEATURING THIS TOPIC AS WELL ;D  
  
nesdori - THOUGH THIS SOUNDS LIKE AN EXCUSE, I THINK I SHOULD BELIEVE YOU ;D

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-05-21 00:39
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dustin, PUT EVERYTHING IN ONE CAVE, BUT MAKE IT AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE AND IN A WAY THAT SOLUTION REQUIRES A PERFECT RUN - IF THAT'S POSSIBLE ;D;D

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DUSTIN                            2020-05-21 19:48
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darkstoorm - I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME AMOEBA CAVES AMONG THEM, WHICH CAN'T BE TRAPPED SEPERATELY. ;D