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dustin's bd11 cave o l5
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Arno
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ARNO                              2019-11-05 21:24
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dustin, DO YOU HAVE A SOLUTION TO THIS CAVE WITHOUT PUSHING LUCK? :-)

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-05 21:44
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YES! FOR CRUSHING THE 2-SIZE WALL, I KNOW THE SOLUTION, FOR THE 3-WALL, I KNOW THAT I HAD ONE, BUT THIS ONE I HAVE TO REPRODUE IN MY HEAD ;D IN ANY CASE, NO PUSHING LUCK REQUIRED!

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NESDORI                           2019-11-05 22:51
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IT WOULD NICE TO HAVE SEMI-HEAVY BOULDERS WHICH ARE MOVABLE BUT A PUSH NEVER SUCCEEDS AT FIRST ATTEMPT (OR FIRST TWO). THESE CAVES WOULD BE SOLVABLE BUT LUCKY SOLUTIONS ARE ELIMINATED :)

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-05 22:54
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WHY THIS? YOU COULD THEN JUST START PUSHING THE BOULDER THREE FRAMES BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO PUSH IT...

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NESDORI                           2019-11-05 23:05
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YES SOMETIMES PRE-PUSHING IS POSSIBLE BUT IT WOULD ELIMINATE LUCKY PUSH SEQUENCES INVOLVING MULTIPLE SEQUENTIAL PUSHES AND THINGS LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE TO FIRST DROP/MOVE A BOULDER AND THEN IMMEDIATELY LUCKY-PUSH IT.. LIKE PUSHING A BOULDER OVER EXPLOSIONS.

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-05 23:28
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YEAH, THAT'S TRUE OF COURSE!

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-05 23:33
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OK, I RECONSTRUCTED THE 3-SIZE BREAKTHROUGH.  READ ON IF YOU WANT A HINT.  
  
FOR THE 3-SIZE WALL, I NEED A 1-FLY-EXLOSION, A 2-FLY-DOUBLE-EXPLOSION, ANOTHER 1-FLY EXPLOSION AND FINALLY A 3-FLY TRIPLE-EXPLOSION. THE DISTANCE OF THE FIREFLIES IN THE 2-FLY AND 3-FLY CAGES ARE SUCH THAT THE TIMING WORKS PERFECTLY FOR MY SOLUTION METHOD.

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ARNO                              2019-11-06 07:57
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OK I HAVE SOME IDEAS NOW... :-)

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-06 11:52
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OVERALL I NEED 12 FIREFLIES TO SOLVE THIS CAVE. I'M CURIOUS WHETHER SOMEONE NEEDS LESS ;D

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NESDORI                           2019-11-06 13:22
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THE FIRST TWO WALLS CAN BE DONE WITH 2 FLIES BOTH AND ACCORDING TO YOUR EXPLANATION, YOUR METHOD USES 7 FLIES ON THE 3-WALL. THAT'S ALREADY 11 FLIES BUT I ALSO HAVE AN IDEA FOR THE LAST WALL WHICH USES LESS FLIES.

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-06 14:13
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AH, I ALSO SEE A TWO-FF SOLUTION FOR THE SECOND WALL NOW. THE SAME METHOD WOULD ALSO SAVE 1FF AT THE 3RD WALL.

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-06 14:30
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THE LAST TWO DAYS MY KEYBOARD DIDN'T LIKE ME AND I THOUGHT I COULDN'T RECORD A RUN, BUT TODAY IT LIKES ME AGAIN ;D

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ARNO                              2019-11-07 09:11
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dustin/nesdori: YOUR 2-FF SOLUTION FOR THE SECOND WALL, IS THIS WITHOUT PUSHING LUCK? I ONLY SEE A WAY BY PUSHING A BOULDER OVER EXPLOSION....

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 09:18
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YES, NO LUCK INVOLVED. I'M WORKING ON A FULL CAVE SOLUTION WITH ONLY 7 FLIES (ONLY ONE FLY / A LAYER OF WALL). AND NO LUCK REQUIRED.. :)  
DEMO SOON! :)

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 10:10
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arno, IT'S A BIT DIFFICULT TO GIVE A VERBAL HINT FOR 2-FLY 2-WALL BUT I'LL TRY: A ROUNDED OBJECT IS NEEDED BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE ROUNDED OBJECTS ITSELF FALLS AND IS NO MORE A GOOD PLATFORM FOR THE NEXT FALLING THING. AND IF THERE'S SUPPORTING OBJECTS THEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR A FLY.. BUT WAIT - WHAT IF THE SUPPORTING THING IS THE FLY ITSELF? :)

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 11:19
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MY SOLUTION IS A SUCCESSFUL 7-FLY METHOD (2+2+3). IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THAT THE DESIGNER OF THE CAVE HAVE HAD THIS SOLUTION IN MIND :) THE REASON BEHIND THAT WILL BE REVEALED WHEN MY DEMO IS VISIBLE.  
  
I'LL KEEP THE DEMO HIDDEN FOR A WHILE BECAUSE I THINK SOME PLAYERS WANT TO STILL TRY THIS.

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 11:42
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A CLARIFICATION: 7 FLIES FOR THE ENTIRE CAVE, NOT FOR THE 3-WALL :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 13:38
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I UNDERSTAND YOUR'E 2+2+3 STRATEGY :) GOT IT IN THE EDITOR, I'LL TRY TO DO ENTIRE RUN :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 13:39
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YOUR *

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 14:23
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shredder: OK, GREAT! :) INTERESTING TO SEE IF YOUR STRATEGY IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS MINE OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.. :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 14:28
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YES :) I'M CURIOUS TOO, WE'LL SEE :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 15:45
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OK I GOT 7 FF SOLUTION :)

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 15:57
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shredder, DO YOU NEED ALL 4 DIAMONDS? I DO, MY METHOD WON'T WORK WITH 3 OR LESS :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 16:04
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IN MY RUN I'VE USED 3 DIAMONDS IN THE MID-SECTION :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 16:05
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IN THE LAST SECTION WITH 3 WALLS, I'VE USED ONLY BOULDERS. BUT WASTE SOME TIME TO ELIMINATE EXCESS OF FIREFLIES :) PLAY SAFE ;)

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 16:11
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ONLY BOULDERS?! WOW! THEN WE HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS. YES, GETTING RID OF EXCESS FLIES WAS THE MOST TIME CONSUMING PART :D

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 16:13
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I DIDN'T WANT TO EXPLODE ANY EXCESS FLY BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN A 7-FLY SOLUTION ANYMORE :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 16:18
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OH OK :) I'VE KILLED MORE FFLIES BUT USE 7 TO BREAK THROUGH THE WALLS ;)

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 16:35
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shredder, I THINK I KNOW YOUR SOLUTION. I JUST TRIED MY "OLD" DIAMOND-SOLUTION AND DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A BOULDER-ONLY SOLUTION TOO :)

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 16:38
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MY 2-WALLS ARE BOULDER-ONLY. I WONDER WHY YOU DID USE DIAMONDS THERE BUT NOT ON THE 3-WALL?-)

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-07 17:07
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WOW, ALL THIS SOUNDS VERY INTERESTING! ;D

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-07 17:16
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I TRIED A BIT IN THE EDITOR TOO NOW - I SEE HOW YOUR 7-FF SOLUTIONS COULD BE MADE! VERY NICE! CURIOUS TO SEE THE DEMOS! ;D

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 18:03
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I'VE CORRECTED MY RUN, NOW IT'S TRUE 7FF SOLUTION ;) HOW ABOUT REVEALING DEMOS? :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 18:28
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OK, NVM, I'VE OVERLOOKED THAT THE arno IS APPROACHING TO THIS CAVE TOO

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ARNO                              2019-11-07 18:40
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TONIGHT IS RESERVED FOR A DIFFERENT CAVE FOR ME! BUT I'M WATCHING THIS CAVE WITH GREAT INTEREST AND I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME SOLUTIONS! :-)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 18:42
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I THINK I KNOW WHICH CAVE YOU WANT TO KILL arno :) GOOD LUCK!  
  
OK I'LL SHOW MY DEMO AFTER nesdori AND dustin. THEY WAS FIRST WITH SOLVING ;)

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 19:33
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OK THEN, MY DEMO FREE :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 19:41
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AND MY DEMO TOO ;)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 19:42
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3-WALL EXECUTION TOTALLY DIFFERENT :)

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NESDORI                           2019-11-07 20:28
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YES, WHEN YOU TOLD THAT YOU USE NO DIAMONDS I KNEW THAT THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT :) YOUR SOLUTION REQUIRES SOME LUCK BECAUSE IF THE LAST PUSH IS TOO SLOW, THE FLY MOVES UP AND THE STRUCTURE COLLAPSES, BUT STILL IT'S VERY NICE SOLUTION. I HAD A LITTLE DIFFERENT BOULDER-ONLY SOLUTION IN MY MIND WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE LUCK BUT I HAVEN'T YET CHECKED IF IT'S POSSIBLE AT ALL. IT'S JUST AN EXTENSION FROM 2-WALL METHOD USING THE SAME PRINCIPLE.

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 20:31
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THATS TRUE, FEW TIMES I GOT THE PROBLEMS WITH THE LAST PUSH :)

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ARNO                              2019-11-07 20:57
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FANTASTIC RUNS GUYS! :-)  
  
dustin: I GUESS YOUR RUN IS THE INTENDED SOLUTION WHERE YOU "TIMED" THE 3 FIREFLIES IN THEIR PIT FOR THE LAST TRIPLE EXPLOSION? I'M CURIOUS TO SEE THAT WAY TOO! :-D

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-07 22:16
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nesdori, shredder - GREAT RUNS! WHEN I READ YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS I WAS ALREADY THINKING THAT YOU'D ACTUALLY DESTROY DIAMONDS, BUT HOW FOOLISH COULD I BE? YOU'RE HISCORE RUNNERS, AFTER ALL! ;D  
  
arno - MY RUN FREE! THERE YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR MY SOLUTION, THE 2-FLY AND 3-FLY CAGES ARE TIMED PERFECTLY! FOR nesdori'S AND shredder'S SOLUTION, HOWEVER, THE MULTILE-FLY CAGES ARE RATHER A HINDRANCE! FUNNY ;D  
  
THE FIRST WALL WAS ACTUALLY MEANT TO BE A "TUTORIAL" TO TEACH THE PLAYER HOW IT WORKS. AT THE SECOND WALL, THE PLAYER COULD THEN REALIE THAT IF HE STARTS WITH A SINGLE EXPLOSION, HE CAN PUT TWO BOULDERS SUCH THAT HE GETS THE SAME SITUATION AS WITH THE TUTORIAL WALL. FOR THE LAST 3-SIE WALL, WHICH HAS TO BE BLASTED ONLY ON L5, THE PLAYER IS ON HIS OWN!

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-07 22:37
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CAVE NAME "OVERSEIZED OBSTACLE" BTW ;D

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-07 22:58
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THX GUYS! :) dustin YOUR RUN IS ALSO COOL :) REALY NICE TO WATCH. :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-08 00:05
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YOUR RUN REMINDS ME THE BD VIII CAVE O CHALLENGE :)

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DUSTIN                            2019-11-08 01:39
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OH YES, YOUR RUN THERE IS VERY SIMILAR - 3 EXPLOSIONS IN A ROW WORK FROM ALONE! ;D

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-08 01:40
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YEAH VERY COOL CAVE TOO :)

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SHREDDER                          2019-11-08 01:42
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I'M LAUGHING NOW, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS PLAYING BD AS A KID, THIS CAVE WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO ME ;D

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NESDORI                           2019-11-08 08:21
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dustin, NICE TECHNIQUE TO BLAST THE 3-WALL. THANKS FOR THE TUTORIAL! :)