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NESDORI                           2020-07-09 22:26
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AGAIN, THE RNG AND THE SEED ARE STANDARD. THIS TIME I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF SOMEONE GIVES THE CORRECT ANSWER INSTANTLY :)

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-07-09 22:29
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I THINK I RECOGNIZE THE PATTERN ON THE MID-RIGHT, JUST FLIPPED... HMM :D

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DUSTIN                            2020-07-09 23:27
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PMAU RBRTU DRVPMF TSMFPZ MIZNRT OD ZSLRM.

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DUSTIN                            2020-07-09 23:30
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CORRECTION LAST WORD: "YSLRM".

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NESDORI                           2020-07-10 02:31
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dustin, INCREDIBLE! I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS TOO HARD AND I ALREADY REGRETTED TEASING YOU WITH THIS :) HOW DID YOU FIND THE CORRECT ANSWER? IT'S NOT EASY TO SEE..

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DUSTIN                            2020-07-10 08:07
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nesdori, THANKS ;D WELL IT TOOK ME SOME TIME, THE POSSIBILITY JUST CAME TO ME SOMETIME WHEN I TRIED TO FIND SIMILARITIES TO THE ORIGINAL  
  
IT HAPPENED MANY TIMES THAT I MADE A CAVE AND THOUGHT "WELL HERE, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET BONUS DIAMONDS, IS IT?!". THEN, USUALLY, THERE'S SOMEONE WHO DOES GET BONUS DIAMONDS AND I READ IN THE COMMENTS "WELL, JUST SOME STANDARD METHODS I USED. NOTHING SPECIAL!" SO I'LL ADD "JUST SOME STANDARD DETECTIVE WORK, QUITE RELAXING!" TO THIS COMMENT, JUST FOR A TINY REVENGE... :P ;D

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NESDORI                           2020-07-10 10:15
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dustin, I SEE :D THERE WILL BE ANOTHER CAVE OF THIS SERIES RELEASED TODAY EVENING. IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY READY BUT I'LL WAIT A BIT NOT TO GIVE TOO MUCH HEAD START FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT SPENDING OFFICE HOURS IN AN OFFICE :) THE NEXT CAVE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER THAN THIS, I GUESS :)

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NESDORI                           2020-07-10 12:45
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THE CORRECT ANSWER IS THAT FOR ALL RANDOM OBJECTS, TWO RANDOM VALUES ARE FETCHED AND THE FIRST ONE IS JUST SKIPPED. NORMAL 20*40 AREA IS FILLED SO THERE ARE 1600 RANDOM CALLS INSTEAD OF 800. MY GUESS WHAT? 1 WAS ABOUT SAVING RNG CALLS AND THIS DEFINITELY IS NOT :) WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IDEA I ASSUMED THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SPOTS WHERE "COMPACTING THE ORIGINAL CAVE" -EFFECT IS CLEARLY VISIBLE BUT BECAUSE OF THE RNG VALUE SKIPPING SOME ORIGINAL OBJECTS ARE MISSING AND IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO SPOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. I WAS PREPARED TO GIVE SOME HINTS AND I WAS GENUINELY SURPRISED THAT dustin FOUND THE ANSWER THAT QUICKLY :)

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DARKSTOORM                        2020-07-10 13:18
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I'M SURPRISED dustin GOT THAT :D  
  
THAT ACTUALLY GAVE ME AN IDEA

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ARNO                              2020-07-10 15:29
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I'VE JUST WRITTEN AN EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS OF THE C64 RNG AT THE FORUM THREAD.  
  
I TRANSLATED THE BINARY OPERATIONS TO MATHEMATICAL EXPRESSIONS (LIKE MODULO AND INDICATORS). THIS MAY BE USEFUL FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION! :-)  
  
<a href="http://www.boulderdash.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6404#6404" target="external">HTTP://WWW.BOULDERDASH.NL/FORUM/VIEWTOPIC.PHP?P=6404#6404</a>

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NESDORI                           2020-07-10 16:00
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arno, GREAT ANALYSIS! I ACTUALLY DID SOME ANALYSIS YESTERDAY MYSELF AS WELL BECAUSE I WAS INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT TWO DIFFERENT SEED2:S BECOME THE SAME AFTER THE RNG IS CALLED ONCE. I REALIZED WHY IT HAPPENS BUT YOUR MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS MADE A FEW THINGS EVEN CLEARER THAN JUST BY THINKING THEM OUT BITWISE STYLE :)

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ARNO                              2020-07-10 16:59
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THANKS nesdori! THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS MYSELF AS WELL WHICH I HOPE TO EXPLAIN USING THESE FORMULAS. :-D