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2024-07-13 00:08 dustin  
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! WARNING - SUPER EXPERT CAVE !  
  
THIS IS MY FIRST DFF LAUNCH CAVE, INSPIRED BY  Arno  AND HIS FORUM THREAD I'M GOING TO CONTINUE.  
  
THERE'S NO STANDARD WAY TO BRING THE FLIES UPWARDS W/O HARMING THE ΚΚΚ VOODOOS, SO Κ HAS TO LAUNCH A DANCING FLY FORMATION!  
  
HINT: THE INTENDED WAY TO SOLVE THIS IS BY LAUNCHING THE DFF "THREE BUSY BEES" (SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, MY SAME-NAMED CAVE IN THE DATABASE). other solutions are most likely possible too, but by no means easier :d  
  
difficulty: 9/10 (super expert)

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2024-07-13 21:14 nesdori  
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hint: i didn't use "three busy bees" :)

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2024-07-13 21:37 dustin  
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maybe "lifted gear wheels" + "Η&Η" or 2x "lifted Η-vortex"? :d

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2024-07-13 21:52 nesdori  
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2* "lifted Η-vortex" it is. i think it's the easiest way to solve this although fly placement is not that favorable because ΖΖ are grouped.

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2024-07-13 22:28 dustin  
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yeah, that may well be easier to launch. it seems hard to make a cave where "three busy bees" have to be created as the only possible solution.  
  
btw  nesdori , do you still have some unpublished dff discoveries in reserve? while preparing for continuing  Arno 's article series on the forum recently, i re-read some of your comments on dff caves, and you made some implications which make me think this might be the case. for example, on the "three busy bees" cave, you wrote that you already know that three ΗΗΗ also play a very important role in other big dffs. i'm curious :d

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2024-07-16 12:26 nesdori  
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 dustin , yes, i checked all possible 7Ζ+0Η, 7Η+0Ζ AND 5Ζ+2Η 7-fly dff combos two years ago. there's total of 15 of them and only some of them have been analyzed and published. i was going to publish all 7-fly dff:s at once but the project then stalled (i was going to further optimize my program before continuing with the remaining combos but never did it.. :)

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2024-07-16 22:33 dustin  
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 nesdori : great! i'd love to see your results so far, even if the 7-fly dffs are still incomplete. i think it would be a good moment to have them published, now that i'm preparing the articles on  Arno 's forum thread. on the other hand, if you want to wait until you can present us with your complete 7-fly results, that's also ok, as there are 5 new dffs and a bunch of dfss anyway. but i'm curious! :d

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2024-07-17 00:51 dustin  
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my launch of the "three busy bees" dff is free :d

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2024-07-17 20:33 nesdori  
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 dustin , nice! i think i would have eventually found a way to launch "three busy bees" if i had tried it instead of 2*lifted Η-vortex :)  
  
i'll do a demo cave about my 7-fly dff findings.

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2024-07-17 21:26 dustin  
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*curiosity level increases to 200%* :d