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2019-11-01 20:22 shredder  
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very easy cave, just do 2 flying dutchmen ( Arno 's idea) +hitchhiker and kill some flies ;d

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2019-11-01 20:59 Arno  
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hmmm... 2 flying dutchmen was the first thing coming to my mind. but then? i guess something like a lifted-f-vortex...

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2019-11-01 21:00 shredder  
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just f-dutchmen and kill the flies :) no vortex required:)

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2019-11-01 21:12 dustin  
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i'm also thinking about a theoretical solution... that's probably one of the caves where the designer, knowing the solution, thinks it's very easy, but for the player it isn't... ;d

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2019-11-01 21:16 shredder  
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if you do what i described below... it should be very easy ;)

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2019-11-01 21:24 Arno  
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i see a theoretical solution...

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2019-11-01 21:32 shredder  
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so go for it  Arno  :)

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2019-11-01 22:29 dustin  
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hmm... still don't get it. i haven't found a way to free the exit yet. what was the hitchhiker again? the only video from  Arno  i found about it was with the 4 elements+1ffly, but with 1bf, the 4 elements would be hard to create... ;d

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2019-11-01 22:33 Arno  
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 shredder  is trolling us again as we need to create the 4 elements from 1 bf! ;-D  
  
well, actually my idea was to combine 2-fl-dutchmen with  shredder 's int-06 cave... :-)

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2019-11-02 00:20 dustin  
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ok, i get two flying dutchmen, a | and a \ to the right, but then i'm still missing sth...

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2019-11-02 00:20 dustin  
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ah - new idea

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2019-11-02 00:32 nesdori  
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i can see a solution which basically is exactly what  shredder  said. the strange thing is; i can get 13 diamonds although 12 is required so i'm not sure if my solution is the intended or not. but i really don't see a way to get 12 without getting one more.

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2019-11-02 00:39 nesdori  
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or actually i can see a way to get only 12 but i doubt it's the intended..

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2019-11-02 00:40 dustin  
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ok, i have theoretical solution even for 13\!

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2019-11-02 00:42 dustin  
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 nesdori  - here's a way to get 12\. grab 12 and ignore the 13th! ;d

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2019-11-02 00:44 nesdori  
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ahh.. clever! :)

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2019-11-02 00:45 nesdori  
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or another 12.. leave the dirt under the heavy magic wall! :)

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2019-11-02 00:50 dustin  
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yessss! finally i solved this very easy cave! ;d ;d

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2019-11-02 01:41 nesdori  
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my demo ready too. it's interesting to see all solutions; probably some differences.

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2019-11-02 09:53 shredder  
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hahah i forgot to put the blocking item beneath the 'heavy mw' :D

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2019-11-02 10:38 dustin  
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haa haa ;d

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2019-11-02 10:43 shredder  
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yeah, lol! :D my demo is exactly like  nesdori 's 00:45 comment... brilliant! :D

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2019-11-02 11:14 dustin  
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that's a solid and inconspicious way to get 12\ indeed! ;d

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2019-11-02 19:32 shredder  
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yeah, incredible solution! getting required 12\ out of 13\ possible :D damn, i'm good... rotfl... :D

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2019-11-02 19:45 shredder  
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intended, incredible solution of 12\ is free now! you'll not believe!

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2019-11-02 20:54 Arno  
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excellent run! indeed similar to the way i figured logically ;-)

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2019-11-02 20:55 shredder  
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thanks! especially wasting mw diamond is unbelieveble :D

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2019-11-02 20:57 shredder  
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but just like i said before, i forgot to put the blocking device ;P

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2019-11-02 23:04 dustin  
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my run free, too! as  nesdori  expected, there are significant differences, apart from the additional \ ;d i think i found a simpler way to do the right half... ;d

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2019-11-02 23:12 nesdori  
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my solution free too. another different solution although it's almost the same as  dustin 's.