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2020-12-15 15:12 shredder  
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Interesting. I willa tryb this one after worki. I have an idea ;)

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2020-12-15 15:25 nesdori  
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i think the most difficult part of this cave is simple logic easy to miss. two cso-tricks needed are quite standard :)

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2020-12-15 15:35 shredder  
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I think i SEe the SOLUTION, but i need to TRY IT on pc :) do please hołd your demos hidden to midnight ;)

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2020-12-16 00:13 shredder  
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ok i was on the good way ;)

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2020-12-16 00:14 shredder  
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and nice puzzle  dustin ! my processor is very hot now ;D

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2020-12-16 01:33 shredder  
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hmm... i can improve my run by digging more dirt and cut few frames, but still got 578. i can't see the way to 579 :(

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2020-12-16 01:34 shredder  
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*) 378, 379 \

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2020-12-16 02:25 nesdori  
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ah! this turned into high score compo. well.. 381! :)

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2020-12-16 02:29 nesdori  
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there's still very annoying part in my solution which wastes lot of time but i don't see a way to get rid of it :)

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2020-12-16 02:37 nesdori  
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well now that part is better; 383! :D

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2020-12-16 09:39 dustin  
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shreddeer, thx and congrat! :D  
  
funnily, i had a "hard" and an "easy" cso puzzle ready, but as i wasn't fully satisfied with the "hard" one yet, i uploaded this "easy" one first. but now it turned out to be very tough! again the puzzlemaker effect - the one creating the puzzle knows why he places everything where he places it, but for others, looking freshly at the map, this is not so clear at once :D  
  
probably the "hard" puzzle will be solved in five minutes :D :D

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2020-12-16 12:08 shredder  
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:O :D

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2020-12-16 12:38 shredder  
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 nesdori  nice improvement with this 383. from 378 to 381 is easy. but from 381 to 383 ... hmmm :D

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2020-12-16 12:43 nesdori  
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 shredder , well just change the most annoying part, worked for me :D

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2020-12-16 12:52 nesdori  
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 shredder , your solution might be different but here's a hint; for me the most annoying thing was: when and how to get the \ which ends up under the slime.

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2020-12-16 15:22 shredder  
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I don't know, maybe our solutions are DIFFERENT indeed. In my 381, this diamond is no big deal. I got IT just in  time, BEFORE ff arrives. I'm THINKing ABOUT some CHANGES with the ff Path. But i must try this one on PC :)

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2020-12-16 16:13 nesdori  
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 shredder , ok :) i don't see a way to improve my solution anymore so i think i'm done and ready to show my solution whenever you are ready. i'll reconsider if you get 384 points :D

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2020-12-16 16:20 shredder  
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Ok, IN THAT case, i will TRY my NEW idea before MIDNIGHT, after work. We'll see. :)

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2020-12-16 17:21 dustin  
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nice to see that this is not only a puzzle but also a hiscore puzzle ;)

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2020-12-16 22:32 shredder  
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well, my idea doesn't work :D my run free now :)

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2020-12-16 22:42 nesdori  
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 shredder , mine free too. i didn't expect our solutions to be that much different :O :)

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2020-12-16 22:57 shredder  
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wow, i didn't expect that too. Great idea and nice run! :)

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2020-12-17 11:51 Arno  
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mine too! great runs guys! :-D

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2020-12-17 12:13 nesdori  
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indeed brilliant solutions! much more variance than i expected :) now i'm really curious;  dustin , what's your intended solution?

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2020-12-17 12:48 shredder  
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nice  Arno  :) another totally different way! i like this kind of suprises after revealing demos :)

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2020-12-17 18:54 dustin  
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great runs!  
funny - none of your solutions used one of my intended cso tricks. i think, rather than giving it away, i'll (try to) make another cave where this trick is strictly forced :D

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2020-12-17 19:41 nesdori  
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 dustin , nice idea to save your idea :D

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2020-12-17 22:16 shredder  
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btw.  nesdori , do you still thinking about publishing your old cave which you mentioned before? :)

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2020-12-17 22:29 nesdori  
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 shredder ,  dustin 's lately slime caves are based on the same idea. my idea was that a player must explode more than one slime to achieve the longest possible fall-through gap for a certain slime (otherwise rockford would be trapped). the number of slimes and their sync which carries that out is unknown to the player so he has to either run rng simulations or construct a test cave and test different set ups by following the flow through the slimes. would be nasty cave so i'm not really convinced that it's worth releasing it :)

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2020-12-17 22:34 shredder  
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i think it's worth to try :)

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2020-12-18 10:20 dustin  
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i second  shredder 's view! :)

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2020-12-19 01:24 DarkStoorM  
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Okay, now I see what is the intended solution ;)

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2020-12-19 11:39 nesdori  
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the intended left side revealed but i'm still not sure about the intended right side :)

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2020-12-22 19:25 dustin  
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well, there's not "the" intended right side. all i wanted to make sure was that it's impossible without the firefly. i was sure that with the help of the fly, there are many possibilities ;)  
  
on the left side, i set the two \\ just to prevent the ffly from spinning. i just overlooked that these \\ could also be used in a much simpler way :D

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2020-12-24 20:05 shredder  
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that's funny, because it's normal when you're focused on the complicated part of the cave and overlook something else, easier or even fsc ;) in case of my caves, i had something like this many times :D

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2020-12-29 00:49 dustin  
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same here :D