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2020-07-04 21:00 nesdori  
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cso 56 is castling queenside?-)

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2020-07-04 21:01 dustin  
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very close... ;d  
do you play chess,  nesdori ?

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2020-07-04 21:19 dustin  
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hmm... thinking of it, why not? just some optical modifications to justify this title... ;d

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2020-07-04 21:32 nesdori  
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 dustin , not seriously but i enjoy watching chess tournaments and i read chessbase often enough so that i know what's happening on the scene :) i have played "go" much more.

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2020-07-05 11:54 dustin  
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interesting,  nesdori ! then, probably, if we played a game of chess and then go, score would be level ;d

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2020-07-05 12:43 nesdori  
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 dustin : yes, would probably be 1-1 :) not much data about your games but i would avoid playing four knights scotch variation opening against you. seems that it is one of your favorites (or was back in 2003 :)

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2020-07-05 14:22 dustin  
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thx for your interest  nesdori  ;d well, yes it was back in 2003, but of course i can't tell you what i play today just in case we have to play for 1st price in a tournament soon ;d   
  
i have to admit i don't know much about go... i know that...  
1. ...it exists  
2. ...you have to gain as much territory as possible  
3. ...engines have become very strong just recently (similar to chess)  
4. ...i don't know all the rules properly.  
do you play it in a club?

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2020-07-05 22:10 nesdori  
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 dustin , 1-3 are correct and probably 4 is too if you say so :) but in addition to territory you get points from capturing opponent's stones. the rules of go are quite simple and that's the beauty of it; it's abstract game and rules are easy to learn but the game is very complex. it's easy to ´learn what you can do but you have no idea what you should do :) but alphago demonstrated that although humankind has been studying the game more than 2500 years now the best pros still have no idea how the game should be played :)  
  
i played in my university's go club which was quite active. but that's almost 20 years ago and i haven't since played in any club.

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2020-07-06 18:50 dustin  
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very interesting,  nesdori ! yeah i heard about alpha go. and the chess engine alpha zero followed quickly and showed the chess players that they have still a lot to learn, too ;d   
yeah, i'm also quite fascinated by games or things in general that are easy to learn but hard to master! that's one reason why we're here on this site, isn't it? ;d  
who knows, if i wouldn't have played chess for almost 30 years now, and if i would want to learn a strateguic game today, it's very well possible that i would start with go! as it is, chess often shows me how valuable it is to make an own opinion, play for your own strengths and, if necessary, put it through against resistanc!

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2020-07-06 21:18 nesdori  
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 dustin , i recommend this alphago documentary:  
  
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y" target="external">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y</a>  
  
it's well made and you really don't have to understand the rules of go to enjoy it because there's not that much game analysis but it's rather a philosophical journey to humanity and ai. if you love games, you most probably will love watching it :)

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2020-07-06 23:24 dustin  
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thx  nesdori  - wow 90 minutes, i'll keep it in mind!