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2022-08-25 17:00 nesdori  
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 dustin  already introduced the extremely slow funny new 6-fly dff. here are the rest of new findings. now i'm pretty sure that  
all 6-fly dff:s are found :)  
  
from left to right:  
  
- bob & bobette & babette + 1b  
short loop: 5  
long loop: 15  
  
- lifted b-vortex + 3b  
short loop: 5  
long loop: 10  
  
- lifted f-vortex + 3b, a new variation in addition to previously found "flying kites" variation  
short loop: 5  
long loop: 10

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2022-08-25 17:16 Arno  
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great! :-D

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2022-08-25 18:00 shredder  
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great for new cave, but the question is... how to launch these formations? ;)

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2022-08-25 18:35 nesdori  
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 shredder , good question! :D i haven't tried it yet. but it's an ultra puzzle for you to launch these and then you can do an ultra cave for us :)

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2022-08-25 19:38 dustin  
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 nesdori , i was already wondering in my comment under your catepillar cave whether the 3bf freeriding on your lifted f/b vortex would build similar formations as in the new dff, where also 3bf play the main part. and actually this is the case!  
  
the following formation occurs in all three dffs:  
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..r.  
.r..  
.l..  
....  
  
...occurs in both lifted vortex formations (if your initial map is frame 1, then it's frame 3 for the lifted b-vortex and frame 4 for the f-vortex), and the same formation also occurs in our new dff (i haven't counted frames, but it's directly after the 3bf get influenced by the 4th bfly).  
although 3bf cannot build a stable dff on their own, they can move for a relatively long time without external help. in our new dff, the "busy bees" only need 2 external influences in 25 frames to move periodically, and in the lifted vortex dffs they can freeride quite quickly with a few more external help!  
  
it looks like these 3bf have a lot of potential. i wouldn't be surprised if we see them more often in more new dff/ freerider dff! :d

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2022-08-26 08:58 nesdori  
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 dustin , i already know that it also occurs in many 7-fly formations. bflies must be excited now that they finally got their "almost dff by itself" 3-fly formation alive :)

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2022-08-26 15:40 dustin  
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yes, indeed! :d