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2020-07-07 00:23 DarkStoorM  
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I'm running an another experiment, where all the object probability values are doubled, choosing one of the four generating algorithms depending on if the cave is solvable or all the diamonds are accessible. I skipped the C64 generator as the results were not interesting enough.  
  
I also skipped the JS Unseeded algorithm, because it was unrepeatable despite pretty good results  
  
JS Seeded (higher entropy) - Currently chosen  
Mulberry32 - Inaccessible diamonds  
LCG (Lehmer) - Inaccessible diamonds  
SplitMix32 - Blocked passage

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2020-07-07 21:21 Arno  
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very nice experiment and a fresh other way to play the alltime classic caves! :-D  
  
by the way, i'm currently diving into the c64-random generator and i have recreated this generator in excel. good stuff for some experiments! :-D  
  
and  darkstoorm : may we see the solutions of torture trouble 01 and 02? i'm curious! ;-D

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2020-07-07 21:33 DarkStoorM  
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 Arno , oH, SURE!  
  
bY THE WAY, THE MOST INTERESTING THING IS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THE GENERATED NUMBERS, THE NUMBER OF REPETITIONS, THE DISTRIBUTION IN GENERAL AND PLOT THE COUNTS FOR OBJECTS ACCORDING TO THEIR PROBABILITIES, AND EVEN TWEAK THE VALUES FOR THE EXACT AMOUNTS OF OBJECTS!  
E.G., cAVE 'a' COULD HAVE 4 MORE DIAMONDS IF THE PROBABILITY WAS SET TO 10 (ASSUMING THEY DON'T GENERATE ON SIDE BORDERS.  
  
<a href="https://i.imgur.com/FuOokLr.png" target="external">https://i.imgur.com/FuOokLr.png</a>  
  
i ALREADY HAVE A WEBSITE TOOL WITH DIFFERENT ALGORITHMS, i DIDN'T FINISH THE PLOTTING CHART YET :d

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2020-07-07 23:16 Arno  
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ok thanks! looks very interesting indeed! :-D my ultimate goal is to see if it's possible to explain some typical c64 patterns in the random caves. this seems a challenge, but if i have results i'll of course share them here! :-)

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2020-07-08 00:12 DarkStoorM  
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It's definitely worth checking step by step at least, maybe you will find something interesting.  nesdori  mentioned it needs 949 calls to start repeating the cycle for each seed, might be a good hint!

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2020-07-08 00:35 DarkStoorM  
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I also think I'm going to take a closer look at it.  
I Tried to look at the code step by step  
<a href="https://i.imgur.com/xiTrZPi.png" target="external">https://i.imgur.com/xiTrZPi.png</a>  
  
This reminded me to revisit the bitwise operators!  
  
This might actually be more interesting than regular number generators out there nowadays!

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2020-07-08 01:06 DarkStoorM  
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Oh, and a small thing.  
Look at the seeds:  
10 <a href="https://i.imgur.com/V3YQqo2.png" target="external">https://i.imgur.com/V3YQqo2.png</a>  
159 <a href="https://i.imgur.com/oK3aY6J.png" target="external">https://i.imgur.com/oK3aY6J.png</a>  
  
These caves are identical, the seed 159 seems to be offset by 1 (up-left), _but_ the first two rows are completely different. That is really strange!  
  
Seed 160 and 161 are identical, just a bunch of objects shifted around  
Same for 100 and 101'  
  
50 and 51 are almost identical (51 is offset by 1 up)  
11 and 34 are just offset by 12 horizontally  
11 and 32 are really similar, offset by 1 up-left  
5 and 9 are offset by 1 up  
34 and 205 are offset by [2 left, 1 up]

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2020-07-08 09:34 nesdori  
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 Arno , i'm sorry to spoil your experiments but there's at least one obvious reason which causes "boulder dash patterns" :) because the rng so simple the values aren't quite random and the next random fill value (value of seed1) is quite predictable from the previous value. i said earlier that i was quite surprised that how even the distribution of 800 values is but if you take a closer look on values there are patterns. i made a test run and ran all 256 seeds 800 times to get 204800 values which possibly can be used in randomfill and compared the difference of all successive values. not absulute difference but "open border 8-bit difference" in this style:  
  
(value[n] - value[n-1]) & 0xff  
  
if the rng is good, the distribution of these differences should be quite even and every difference (0-255) should occur on average 800 times. and that's true if you check it with some decent rng implementation. but, the boulder dash rng distribution is far from being even. there are some differences that occurs just 1 or 2 times in the sample of 204800 values and some differences occur over 3000 times the max being 3673. i didn't make a nice plot graph like  darkstoorm  did :)  
  
btw  darkstoorm : my eyes hurt to see your rng code 8-) you used multiplication to do bitwise shift left and comparison(!?) to do right shift.   
  
you can replace  
  
temprand1 = (randseed1 & 0x0001) * 0x0080  
  
with  
  
temprand1 = (randseed1 & 0x0001)  0x00ff)  
  
with  
  
carry = result &gt;&gt; 8  
  
then the code would look like the original c64 implementation and not only it's faster to execute (no execution pipeline stalls because of unnecessary comparisons) but it's more pleasant to eye and easier to understand :)  
  
i guess the original code was written for some language where there aren't logical shift operations or the coder just didn't like them :)

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2020-07-08 09:38 DarkStoorM  
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Nesdori, I just looked at this <a href="http://www.boulder-dash.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2368#2368" target="external">http://www.boulder-dash.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2368#2368</a> :)

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2020-07-08 09:39 nesdori  
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hmm.. there was some glitch with the comment editor and the code parts were mangled. i'll try again:  
  
you can replace  
  
temprand1 = (randseed1 & 0x0001) * 0x0080  
  
with  
  
temprand1 = (randseed1 & 0x0001)  0x00ff)  
  
with  
  
carry = result &gt;&gt; 8

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2020-07-08 09:45 nesdori  
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again a glitch. for some reason the editor dont like two successive lesser than characters which represent logical left shift. one more try with a space between lesser than characters (remove the space in actual code :) :  
  
you can replace  
  
temprand1 = (randseed1 & 0x0001) * 0x0080  
  
with  
  
temprand1 = (randseed1 & 0x0001) &lt; &lt; 7  
  
and these two lines:  
  
carry = (result &gt; 0x00ff)  
  
with  
  
carry = result &gt;&gt; 8

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2020-07-08 09:45 nesdori  
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finally the editor got it right! :)

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2020-07-08 10:07 DarkStoorM  
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Oh nice! GOod to know. I'm not good with the optimization, so I just translated  Arno 's code. Definitely worth diving a bit deeper! :D

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2020-07-08 10:59 Arno  
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ok nice to know these pairs of seeds with similarities in the resulting map.  dustin  has mentioned a few others in this thread:  
  
<a href="http://www.boulder-dash.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=647" target="external">http://www.boulder-dash.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=647</a>  
  
and the first one i noticed is the pair 0, 54.  
both seeds generate the same (randseed1, randseed2) = (17, 178) after some draws:  
\ seed 0: draw 560: (2, 31) --&gt; (17, 178)  
\ seed 54: draw 13: (129, 31) --&gt; (17, 178)  
so both maps are different at the beginning, but start looking similar from different points.  
  
the thing i actually would like to find an explanation for is why some specific shapes occur repeatedly, like this one:  
  
bdbb  
bdbb  
bddb  
(b=boulder, d=dirt)  
  
or, a somewhat simpler question, why large vertical lines occur more often than large horizontal lines?  
(of course after first validating the the question: is it actually true?)  
  
about the code on my forum, just note that i got it from here:  
<a href="http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/peterb/insideBoulderdash.html#Random%20numbers" target="external">http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/peterb/insideBoulderdash.html#Random%20numbers</a>

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2020-07-08 11:34 DarkStoorM  
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iNTERESTING  
  
aBOUT THE HORIZONTAL LINES, MY FIRST ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT'S LESS LIKELY FOR THE GENERATOR TO CONSECUTIVELY PICK A "NEAR" NUMBER, but that might just be an illusion of object probability (or density, i don't know how it is actually called) :D It might just be a coincidence that the number in the next row (40 cycles later) is in the specific range  
  
What I would like to know is if that random number generator was specifically made for boulder dash or it's just a C64 PRNG in general

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2020-07-08 14:48 nesdori  
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 darkstoorm , the rng was made specifically for boulder dash. it was first written for the atari version (the random caves are similar on both platforms). but it would be interesting to know it the rng was designed by liepa or was it some "common knowledge" of 8-bit game coders. maybe it was released on some magazine or something :)  
  
 Arno , ok, i see now why your code looks like that :) interesting choise by the author of the original code. there's no reason to use multiplication/comparison instead of bitwise shifts other than obfuscating the code :) shift is actually more compatible if the code is converted to other languages because the assumption that true is 1 and false is 0 is very c/c++:ish.  
  
interesting notes about horizontal and vertical lines.. i'll check it later and try to find some explanation.

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2020-07-08 16:08 nesdori  
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i checked some publicly available prng from 70's and 80's and they were more complex and in sense of randomness better quality than bd rng. but they were also slower because they usually had a loop where bits were twiddled. if i had to guess, i would say that liepa wrote the rng just for boulder dash. it had to be fast because cave generation shouldn't take too long and although slime wasn't yet introdused in bd1, maybe liepa already had the idea of in mind so that the rng should be fast enough also to be called during the scan multiple times which is even more time critical than cave generation.  
  
if  Arno  ever does "peter liepa interview part 2", there are a lot of technical questions already on the list :D

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2020-07-09 01:31 nesdori  
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i checked randomfill with all initial seeds against all other initial seeds to find all colliding pairs of initial seeds so that during 800 randomfill calls the complete seed (combination of seed1 and seed2) is same at some point which of course causes all the rest seeds to be same until randomfill is finished. there are surprisingly many of those seed collisions, for example for initial seed 0, there are 186 other initial seeds that at some point have the same complete seed during 800 calls. and it's the same thing for other seeds. so the initial seeds really are mangled together and it's more probable that two seeds collide during 800 calls that they aren't colliding!  
  
because there are so many seed collisions the complete list would be very long. so i decided to list top 5 seeds for all seeds which have the biggest number of same complete seeds during randomfill. here's the first line of the set, the best collision for seed 0, the well-known 0,19 seed pair.  
  
seed 0 offset 1 - seed 19 offset 0, x:-1 y:0 799  
  
offset means how many times the rng has to be called until the collision is caught. so in this case seed 0 has to be called once and seed 19 not at all to get a collision. that's because if the call the rng with seeds 0 0 the result is 0 19. usually the colliding seed is not any of the initial seeds but the rng has to be called with both initial seeds few times to get a collision. x and y are the location offset for the latter seed and it tells how many y and x steps the other cave layout is off. the last number is the number of same seeds during complete randomfill with 800 calls. it's actually (800 - the bigger of the offsets). this is the value where the top list rating is based. so the longer the shared sequence of seeds is during randomfill, the higher the pair is on the list.  
  
there are some surprising new unknown seed pairs on the top list where the x-offset is quite big so they have been harder to spot than those seed pairs where the cave layout is just of a little. also some of the known pairs didn't make it to the top list.  dustin  mentioned pair 5, 9 but it didn't make it to the top list for seeds 5 or 9. here's the info line for 5, 9 pair:  
  
seed 5 offset 152 - seed 9 offset 112, x:0 y:-1 648  
  
so initial seed 5 has to be called 152 times and 9 112 times to get a collision. and that's why 112 first values (and so probably objects too) on first lines are different. 648 seeds out of 800 are same and it's quite high ratio but pair 5,9 gets still gets only rank #20. there are 19 initial seeds which share more seeds with initial seed 5 than seed 9! For comparison, here's the top 20 list for seed 5:  
  
seed 5 offset 29 - seed 122 offset 3, x:-26 y:0 771  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 129 offset 30, x:20 y:0 770  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 240 offset 31, x:21 y:0 769  
seed 5 offset 32 - seed 238 offset 0, x:-32 y:0 768  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 199 offset 53, x:3 y:1 747  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 172 offset 61, x:11 y:1 739  
seed 5 offset 62 - seed 137 offset 2, x:-20 y:-1 738  
seed 5 offset 88 - seed 239 offset 16, x:8 y:-2 712  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 209 offset 99, x:9 y:2 701  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 24 offset 102, x:12 y:2 698  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 84 offset 112, x:22 y:2 688  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 153 offset 115, x:25 y:2 685  
seed 5 offset 129 - seed 48 offset 14, x:5 y:-3 671  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 212 offset 132, x:2 y:3 668  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 6 offset 136, x:6 y:3 664  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 17 offset 142, x:12 y:3 658  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 254 offset 143, x:13 y:3 657  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 236 offset 144, x:14 y:3 656  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 196 offset 146, x:16 y:3 654  
seed 5 offset 152 - seed 9 offset 112, x:0 y:-1 648  
  
and here is the complete top 5 list for all initial seeds (still quite a long list :)  
  
seed 0 offset 1 - seed 19 offset 0, x:-1 y:0 799  
seed 0 offset 8 - seed 141 offset 14, x:6 y:0 786  
seed 0 offset 8 - seed 123 offset 15, x:7 y:0 785  
seed 0 offset 27 - seed 93 offset 9, x:-18 y:0 773  
seed 0 offset 28 - seed 160 offset 13, x:-15 y:0 772  
  
seed 1 offset 1 - seed 148 offset 0, x:-1 y:0 799  
seed 1 offset 10 - seed 157 offset 35, x:25 y:0 765  
seed 1 offset 41 - seed 248 offset 15, x:14 y:-1 759  
seed 1 offset 10 - seed 18 offset 49, x:-1 y:1 751  
seed 1 offset 55 - seed 70 offset 5, x:-10 y:-1 745  
  
seed 2 offset 12 - seed 46 offset 43, x:-9 y:1 757  
seed 2 offset 12 - seed 241 offset 46, x:-6 y:1 754  
seed 2 offset 47 - seed 249 offset 1, x:-6 y:-1 753  
seed 2 offset 54 - seed 65 offset 11, x:-3 y:-1 746  
seed 2 offset 12 - seed 28 offset 77, x:25 y:1 723  
  
seed 3 offset 4 - seed 150 offset 3, x:-1 y:0 796  
seed 3 offset 13 - seed 126 offset 0, x:-13 y:0 787  
seed 3 offset 16 - seed 68 offset 6, x:-10 y:0 784  
seed 3 offset 48 - seed 56 offset 12, x:4 y:-1 752  
seed 3 offset 72 - seed 41 offset 17, x:-15 y:-1 728  
  
seed 4 offset 8 - seed 234 offset 16, x:8 y:0 784  
seed 4 offset 45 - seed 166 offset 10, x:5 y:-1 755  
seed 4 offset 8 - seed 57 offset 65, x:17 y:1 735  
seed 4 offset 69 - seed 92 offset 18, x:-11 y:-1 731  
seed 4 offset 8 - seed 30 offset 73, x:25 y:1 727  
  
seed 5 offset 29 - seed 122 offset 3, x:-26 y:0 771  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 129 offset 30, x:20 y:0 770  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 240 offset 31, x:21 y:0 769  
seed 5 offset 32 - seed 238 offset 0, x:-32 y:0 768  
seed 5 offset 10 - seed 199 offset 53, x:3 y:1 747  
  
seed 6 offset 0 - seed 254 offset 7, x:7 y:0 793  
seed 6 offset 2 - seed 17 offset 8, x:6 y:0 792  
seed 6 offset 8 - seed 212 offset 4, x:-4 y:0 792  
seed 6 offset 42 - seed 84 offset 18, x:16 y:-1 758  
seed 6 offset 42 - seed 153 offset 21, x:19 y:-1 758  
  
seed 7 offset 20 - seed 185 offset 4, x:-16 y:0 780  
seed 7 offset 20 - seed 217 offset 9, x:-11 y:0 780  
seed 7 offset 21 - seed 224 offset 3, x:-18 y:0 779  
seed 7 offset 30 - seed 74 offset 0, x:-30 y:0 770  
seed 7 offset 0 - seed 103 offset 48, x:8 y:1 752  
  
seed 8 offset 5 - seed 191 offset 22, x:17 y:0 778  
seed 8 offset 5 - seed 78 offset 28, x:23 y:0 772  
seed 8 offset 65 - seed 6 offset 12, x:-13 y:-1 735  
seed 8 offset 65 - seed 17 offset 18, x:-7 y:-1 735  
seed 8 offset 65 - seed 212 offset 8, x:-17 y:-1 735  
  
seed 9 offset 34 - seed 190 offset 18, x:-16 y:0 766  
seed 9 offset 9 - seed 88 offset 38, x:29 y:0 762  
seed 9 offset 9 - seed 73 offset 52, x:3 y:1 748  
seed 9 offset 9 - seed 79 offset 65, x:16 y:1 735  
seed 9 offset 73 - seed 32 offset 12, x:-21 y:-1 727  
  
seed 10 offset 0 - seed 250 offset 14, x:14 y:0 786  
seed 10 offset 21 - seed 112 offset 9, x:-12 y:0 779  
seed 10 offset 21 - seed 163 offset 13, x:-8 y:0 779  
seed 10 offset 21 - seed 171 offset 6, x:-15 y:0 779  
seed 10 offset 2 - seed 127 offset 69, x:27 y:1 731  
  
seed 11 offset 10 - seed 34 offset 22, x:12 y:0 778  
seed 11 offset 28 - seed 131 offset 15, x:-13 y:0 772  
seed 11 offset 14 - seed 106 offset 29, x:15 y:0 771  
seed 11 offset 30 - seed 205 offset 0, x:-30 y:0 770  
seed 11 offset 14 - seed 77 offset 37, x:23 y:0 763  
  
seed 12 offset 1 - seed 94 offset 10, x:9 y:0 790  
seed 12 offset 25 - seed 165 offset 17, x:-8 y:0 775  
seed 12 offset 0 - seed 92 offset 29, x:29 y:0 771  
seed 12 offset 0 - seed 166 offset 45, x:5 y:1 755  
seed 12 offset 65 - seed 203 offset 2, x:-23 y:-1 735  
  
seed 13 offset 8 - seed 168 offset 0, x:-8 y:0 792  
seed 13 offset 15 - seed 161 offset 14, x:-1 y:0 785  
seed 13 offset 14 - seed 198 offset 31, x:17 y:0 769  
seed 13 offset 34 - seed 15 offset 14, x:-20 y:0 766  
seed 13 offset 34 - seed 252 offset 15, x:-19 y:0 766  
  
seed 14 offset 2 - seed 43 offset 47, x:5 y:1 753  
seed 14 offset 2 - seed 71 offset 52, x:10 y:1 748  
seed 14 offset 56 - seed 44 offset 8, x:-8 y:-1 744  
seed 14 offset 2 - seed 124 offset 56, x:14 y:1 744  
seed 14 offset 60 - seed 128 offset 1, x:-19 y:-1 740  
  
seed 15 offset 4 - seed 252 offset 5, x:1 y:0 795  
seed 15 offset 19 - seed 255 offset 0, x:-19 y:0 781  
seed 15 offset 14 - seed 168 offset 26, x:12 y:0 774  
seed 15 offset 14 - seed 161 offset 33, x:19 y:0 767  
seed 15 offset 14 - seed 13 offset 34, x:20 y:0 766  
  
seed 16 offset 20 - seed 18 offset 0, x:-20 y:0 780  
seed 16 offset 13 - seed 114 offset 41, x:-12 y:1 759  
seed 16 offset 1 - seed 62 offset 45, x:4 y:1 755  
seed 16 offset 13 - seed 164 offset 45, x:-8 y:1 755  
seed 16 offset 13 - seed 31 offset 52, x:-1 y:1 748  
  
seed 17 offset 8 - seed 6 offset 2, x:-6 y:0 792  
seed 17 offset 8 - seed 254 offset 9, x:1 y:0 791  
seed 17 offset 14 - seed 212 offset 4, x:-10 y:0 786  
seed 17 offset 48 - seed 84 offset 18, x:10 y:-1 752  
seed 17 offset 48 - seed 153 offset 21, x:13 y:-1 752  
  
seed 18 offset 0 - seed 16 offset 20, x:20 y:0 780  
seed 18 offset 35 - seed 157 offset 21, x:-14 y:0 765  
seed 18 offset 0 - seed 114 offset 48, x:8 y:1 752  
seed 18 offset 49 - seed 1 offset 10, x:1 y:-1 751  
seed 18 offset 49 - seed 148 offset 9, x:0 y:-1 751  
  
seed 19 offset 0 - seed 0 offset 1, x:1 y:0 799  
seed 19 offset 7 - seed 141 offset 14, x:7 y:0 786  
seed 19 offset 7 - seed 123 offset 15, x:8 y:0 785  
seed 19 offset 26 - seed 93 offset 9, x:-17 y:0 774  
seed 19 offset 27 - seed 160 offset 13, x:-14 y:0 773  
  
seed 20 offset 1 - seed 128 offset 2, x:1 y:0 798  
seed 20 offset 1 - seed 44 offset 13, x:12 y:0 787  
seed 20 offset 0 - seed 113 offset 15, x:15 y:0 785  
seed 20 offset 0 - seed 36 offset 19, x:19 y:0 781  
seed 20 offset 26 - seed 243 offset 1, x:-25 y:0 774  
  
seed 21 offset 11 - seed 251 offset 19, x:8 y:0 781  
seed 21 offset 11 - seed 149 offset 31, x:20 y:0 769  
seed 21 offset 11 - seed 186 offset 49, x:-2 y:1 751  
seed 21 offset 53 - seed 49 offset 25, x:12 y:-1 747  
seed 21 offset 60 - seed 167 offset 6, x:-14 y:-1 740  
  
seed 22 offset 0 - seed 130 offset 1, x:1 y:0 799  
seed 22 offset 5 - seed 207 offset 2, x:-3 y:0 795  
seed 22 offset 13 - seed 66 offset 4, x:-9 y:0 787  
seed 22 offset 14 - seed 173 offset 26, x:12 y:0 774  
seed 22 offset 35 - seed 79 offset 12, x:-23 y:0 765  
  
seed 23 offset 9 - seed 197 offset 0, x:-9 y:0 791  
seed 23 offset 24 - seed 231 offset 0, x:-24 y:0 776  
seed 23 offset 7 - seed 169 offset 26, x:19 y:0 774  
seed 23 offset 7 - seed 232 offset 36, x:29 y:0 764  
seed 23 offset 44 - seed 27 offset 4, x:0 y:-1 756  
  
seed 24 offset 3 - seed 209 offset 0, x:-3 y:0 797  
seed 24 offset 15 - seed 84 offset 25, x:10 y:0 775  
seed 24 offset 15 - seed 153 offset 28, x:13 y:0 772  
seed 24 offset 15 - seed 212 offset 45, x:-10 y:1 755  
seed 24 offset 47 - seed 172 offset 6, x:-1 y:-1 753  
  
seed 25 offset 11 - seed 101 offset 47, x:-4 y:1 753  
seed 25 offset 11 - seed 214 offset 61, x:10 y:1 739  
seed 25 offset 11 - seed 27 offset 64, x:13 y:1 736  
seed 25 offset 11 - seed 231 offset 80, x:-11 y:2 720  
seed 25 offset 11 - seed 197 offset 95, x:4 y:2 705  
  
seed 26 offset 39 - seed 28 offset 19, x:-20 y:0 761  
seed 26 offset 24 - seed 39 offset 50, x:-14 y:1 750  
seed 26 offset 24 - seed 146 offset 51, x:-13 y:1 749  
seed 26 offset 59 - seed 46 offset 5, x:-14 y:-1 741  
seed 26 offset 66 - seed 241 offset 15, x:-11 y:-1 734  
  
seed 27 offset 6 - seed 214 offset 3, x:-3 y:0 794  
seed 27 offset 4 - seed 231 offset 20, x:16 y:0 780  
seed 27 offset 31 - seed 101 offset 14, x:-17 y:0 769  
seed 27 offset 4 - seed 197 offset 35, x:31 y:0 765  
seed 27 offset 4 - seed 23 offset 44, x:0 y:1 756  
  
seed 28 offset 19 - seed 26 offset 39, x:20 y:0 761  
seed 28 offset 39 - seed 46 offset 5, x:-34 y:0 761  
seed 28 offset 46 - seed 241 offset 15, x:9 y:-1 754  
seed 28 offset 19 - seed 39 offset 65, x:6 y:1 735  
seed 28 offset 19 - seed 146 offset 66, x:7 y:1 734  
  
seed 29 offset 8 - seed 118 offset 10, x:2 y:0 790  
seed 29 offset 13 - seed 95 offset 3, x:-10 y:0 787  
seed 29 offset 27 - seed 236 offset 3, x:-24 y:0 773  
seed 29 offset 2 - seed 249 offset 37, x:35 y:0 763  
seed 29 offset 2 - seed 65 offset 40, x:-2 y:1 760  
  
seed 30 offset 14 - seed 57 offset 6, x:-8 y:0 786  
seed 30 offset 26 - seed 76 offset 37, x:11 y:0 763  
seed 30 offset 26 - seed 82 offset 50, x:-16 y:1 750  
seed 30 offset 57 - seed 234 offset 0, x:-17 y:-1 743  
seed 30 offset 26 - seed 211 offset 63, x:-3 y:1 737  
  
seed 31 offset 0 - seed 177 offset 19, x:19 y:0 781  
seed 31 offset 0 - seed 100 offset 23, x:23 y:0 777  
seed 31 offset 24 - seed 114 offset 13, x:-11 y:0 776  
seed 31 offset 24 - seed 164 offset 17, x:-7 y:0 776  
seed 31 offset 0 - seed 60 offset 25, x:25 y:0 775  
  
seed 32 offset 30 - seed 227 offset 0, x:-30 y:0 770  
seed 32 offset 37 - seed 226 offset 7, x:-30 y:0 763  
seed 32 offset 51 - seed 48 offset 37, x:26 y:-1 749  
seed 32 offset 52 - seed 220 offset 9, x:-3 y:-1 748  
seed 32 offset 52 - seed 247 offset 1, x:-11 y:-1 748  
  
seed 33 offset 32 - seed 245 offset 1, x:-31 y:0 768  
seed 33 offset 46 - seed 156 offset 33, x:27 y:-1 754  
seed 33 offset 46 - seed 246 offset 35, x:29 y:-1 754  
seed 33 offset 2 - seed 35 offset 55, x:13 y:1 745  
seed 33 offset 83 - seed 59 offset 2, x:-1 y:-2 717  
  
seed 34 offset 22 - seed 11 offset 10, x:-12 y:0 778  
seed 34 offset 26 - seed 106 offset 29, x:3 y:0 771  
seed 34 offset 26 - seed 77 offset 37, x:11 y:0 763  
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2020-07-09 01:35 nesdori  
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seems that i reached the max length of a message. here's the tail:  
  
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seed 251 offset 1 - seed 149 offset 13, x:12 y:0 787  
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2020-07-09 11:06 Arno  
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wow that's a great analysis  nesdori ! if you don't mind i'll also share these results in the bd forum, where we are discussing this topic too. :-)

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2020-07-09 11:26 DarkStoorM  
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There are two pairs of seeds that really interest me:  
  
100, 101  
160, 161  
  
They are I'd say identical, but ONLY SOME OBJECTS ARE SHIFTED :d

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2020-07-09 11:56 nesdori  
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 Arno , feel free to share anywhere. it's a good thing  krissz  enabled copying so that you don't have to type it by hand :D   
  
btw, i realized one thing. i said that the offset is the number of the rng has to be called to get the collision but that's not quite accurate. because the rng is always called once before the value is used the number or calls is actually offset + 1. but i'm not going to paste a fixed list or  krissz  will ban me for flooding so better just add a note that the offset is actually the number of calls after the first call :)  
  
just tell me if you are interested for a longer top list than five for some particular seed.

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2020-07-09 12:09 nesdori  
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 darkstoorm , surprise surprise! 100 is not colliding with 101 and 160 is not colliding with 161 at all! i noticed 160/161 already yesterday i was quite baffled because you said that they are similar but still the seeds don't collide. i haven't checked them yet but i have a theory: they have some odd seed1/seed2 pair so that seed1 is always the same in both but seed2 alternates. thus randomfill gets a same value for both although the complete seed (combination of seed1 and seed2) is actually different during the entire randomfill. i'll check it later that what's happening there..

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2020-07-09 12:13 DarkStoorM  
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Nesdori, <a href="https://pastebin.com/" target="external">https://pastebin.com</a>  allows sharing pretty long texts and they never expire! :D

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2020-07-09 12:33 nesdori  
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 darkstoorm , ok, now i know what's happening. i checked 160/161. at first both seeds are off but after a few calls there's pattern: seed2 is always the same in both and seed1 of off by 2 for the rest of the randomfill, like this (a snippet from a middle of the fill):  
  
160_s1 160_s2 : 161_s1 161_s2  
  
...  
144 150 : 146 150  
219 169 : 221 169  
176 61 : 178 61  
206 208 : 208 208  
54 227 : 56 227  
167 119 : 169 119  
100 10 : 102 10  
...  
  
because seed1 if always off just by 2 it may look with some densities that the values are equal but they aren't :)

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2020-07-09 12:52 nesdori  
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there's similar behaviour with 100/101. at first seed1 and seed2 are quite different for both but after a few calls they got synced. this time seed1 values are off by 4 for the rest of the fill so it's a little easier spot a different object depending that what the densities are. here's again a snippet from a middle of the fill:  
  
...  
141 242 : 145 242  
136 5 : 140 5  
138 152 : 142 152  
214 171 : 218 171  
43 63 : 47 63  
202 210 : 206 210  
51 229 : 55 229  
37 121 : 41 121  
...  
  
interesting that the seeds first look completely different but somehow after a few call seed2:s get synced so that they equal from that and that causes seed1:s to be off by a fixed amount from that on.

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2020-07-09 12:58 DarkStoorM  
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Simple and complex at the same time, yet so puzzling! I don't think any other game caught my interest so much ;)  
  
First, we get Fly behavior research, now it's time to compile all the RNG data! :D

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2020-07-09 13:00 nesdori  
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 darkstoorm , indeed! these "meta-puzzles" are very interesting.. :D