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2023-08-17 16:48 Arno  
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:-D

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2023-08-17 20:08 dustin  
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:)

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2023-08-18 00:55 nesdori  
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i wasn't 64 secs faster than  Arno ; i actually was 36 secs slower :) it took some time to get the bonus \ :D

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2023-08-18 11:51 dustin  
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or maybe you were still 64 seconds faster ;)

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2023-08-18 13:01 nesdori  
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 dustin , we'll see about that :D  
  
it was actually a nice puzzle to get a bonus \. definitely not easy because there are 3 difficult phases: create a working plan, get requisite resources and execute the plan. i would say that the overall difficulty level of getting a bonus \ is 9.5/10 :)

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2023-08-18 13:53 Arno  
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my run has no bonusΑ,  
at first i thought that my run might be an unintended solution (even shortcut...).  
after examining the cave more, i was quite sure that my way is intended.  
now that  nesdori  has bonus\, i again doubt if my run is intended.  
or... the solution, plus the bonus\, is all perfectly intended...! ;-D

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2023-08-18 13:59 nesdori  
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 Arno , i'm pretty sure your solution is the intended :)

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2023-08-18 14:33 dustin  
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at least i'm pretty sure that my solution is intended :d

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2023-08-18 14:39 nesdori  
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 dustin , but it's not always self-evident that your solution is the intended :) you said that sometimes your caves have been ready to be published for so long that you forgot the original solution. but i guess this cave is fresh then :D

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2023-08-18 14:44 Arno  
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i now see a way to get a bonusΑ, but it requires 2 lucky pushes, and some more very well timed actions.... :-O

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2023-08-18 15:07 nesdori  
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 Arno , my solution requires one lucky push accompanied with a semi-lucky push which must take 1-3 frames. success probability is 37/256 so success rate is about 1/7.

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2023-08-18 20:53 dustin  
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 nesdori , indeed this is sometimes the case :d this cave here is a few weeks old, and i double-checked it a few times since then. that was also a good thing, because the original version had a shortcut. a very interesting shortcut though, which might become a new cso cave :d

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2023-08-21 13:31 Arno  
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 nesdori , i think i've figured out your solution! :-D  
  
when i read about your "semi-lucky push", at first i thought that you meant a push over a firefly, but now i think this is rather about sending the boulder to the right direction using a firefly passing by. so, this push could be tried again when it failed.  
  
the other, "really lucky push" could not be tried again, so if it fails, the run fails too. and unfortuatly, it must be executed quite late in the process, after all preparation work as been done... :-/ ;-)

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2023-08-22 09:25 nesdori  
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 Arno , it sounds that "the phase 1: plan" is quite similar :) have you tried the phase 2 and collect all necessary objects and set them up? this was the hardest part for me and here i spent most of the time. i almost gave up with my original idea and tried to save some ||| but then finally figured a way to get all necessary objects for my original plan :)

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2023-08-22 12:15 Arno  
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 nesdori , this sounds like yes. i have found a way to collect 4 normal boulders in a row "||||" on the "?!"-box, plus one light | on top of this row, plus a 5th normal | available to be (lucky-)pushed to the same column as the light |, so both can be transported to the other side.  
  
in order to get the right-most normal | at the correct position, it was necessary to lead a firefly running around the "?!"-box, which is easily achieved using a | from the room where ^ starts. because of the timing of the running firefly, the push of the 4th boulder is "semi-lucky": it should succeed in 1-3 frames and you could retry if it fails.  
  
with this strategy, it is possible to move 3 light boulders plus 1 normal boulder to the right, so in total you have 4 boulders, which makes it possible to create a bonus\ using the magic wall.  
  
i won't do a complete run because this is too time consuming for me at the momment, plus, there's an annoying lucky push needed quite late (after all preparations). but if i guessed your method correctly, i would love to see your run! :-D  
  
btw, i have revealed my run without bonus\; i expect it is comparable to  dustin 's.

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2023-08-22 12:33 nesdori  
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 Arno , free! now it sounds like that our plans are identical :)

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2023-08-22 13:04 Arno  
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oh wow, i had actually quite a different plan in mind. but now i see your run, i realize that one step in my plan won't work...  
  
great run! :-D

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2023-08-22 23:16 dustin  
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 Arno , now i understand why you felt your solution might be a shortcut, probably because there was one Ζ left. that's because i thought it was necessary to use it in the top-left room to blast away disturbing ΒΒΒ. otherwise we have the same solutions :)  
  
 nesdori , very cool run! of, course this was all, ehm, completely intended *cough cough*    
  
i'm glad to see that you had fun with the cave! the idea just came into my mind one evening. the basic idea was "hey! why not make a cave where the ΛΛΛ must n o t work?", although i implemented such a cave already in  dustin 's bd, but this time i think i built a more mysterious cave around it - i tried to hide the second ΛΛΛ as well as possible :d

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2023-08-23 08:15 nesdori  
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 dustin , oh! i thought that the third Ζ was there to fool the player to try my solution :D the cave is more mysterious with it even with the intended solution.

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2023-08-23 11:01 dustin  
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 nesdori , honestly i didn't think as far, your fantastic run was completely new to me! or, more precisely, i did consider the possibility to gain another Α as you did, but i didn't consider concrete plans to do so - i was sure that, if possible, it  would be much harder than the intended solution, and i was satisfied with that verdict.  ;)