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2019-08-12 18:46 shredder  
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for  Arno ! :) ;) ;) ;)

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2019-08-12 18:51 shredder  
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and for  nesdori  ;) ;)

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2019-08-12 19:05 shredder  
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 donsan  what do you think about this anomaly? :)

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2019-08-12 19:33 Arno  
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oh what the heck! :-O :-D

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2019-08-12 19:34 shredder  
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i don't know  Arno  :D i've observed this "wtf" while testing my new cave :D i'm shocked :D

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2019-08-12 19:42 Arno  
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i'm surprised too, because i thought i had once tested all known dancing formations on open-border-behaviour and they simply broke or continiued.  
now i'm curious what happens with all other variants...

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2019-08-12 19:47 trischi83  
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i am a freak.................................................  
  
first places.................................................  
  
more more more...............................................  
  
get the first place here.....................................  
  
yeah.........................................................  
  
but now i have watch the run from the flies .................  
  
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?   
  
perhaps  krissz  has to change something.......................  
  
never saw those things before................................  
  
earlier time it was not possible, with old engine! which one   
  
is my prefer engine! i do not like the new things very much !  
  
but i am an old man and so i am to nostalgic. but give all   
  
your best to create new caves! and  trischi  will come back again!  
  
he loves those caves and created those cave! hardcore ones! ! !  
  
definitely! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !  
  
THIS IS A GENERATION CHANGE! I THINK SO. OKAY  nesdori  LOVE THIS   
  
CAVE TOO! ALSO AN OLD MAN......................................  
  
;-) ) )  
  
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2019-08-12 19:49 shredder  
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i've readed your list and i don't saw this variant, that's why i published it :) this theme is worth studying. i've made a cave which is maybe weak, but during the run you can observe many strange ffly behaviors :)

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2019-08-12 19:52 shredder  
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 donsan  i understand you. you're oldschool player. i personally prefer the new engine. i like very much this strange things. this opens the door for the new innovate caves! :)

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2019-08-12 19:57 shredder  
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aLSO THE NEW ENGINE MATCH MORE TO THE OLD C-64 ONE. PASSING THE FLIES IS THE SAME. IN OLD ENGINE THIS WAS NOT POSSIBLE AND STRANGE :)

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2019-08-12 20:11 Arno  
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yeah well spotted  shredder !  
  
when i have more time, i will test all variants (a) to (l) at open borders, both on the c64 and  krissz ' engine.

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2019-08-12 20:24 shredder  
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very good idea  Arno ! i'm very curious! fingers crossed!   
meanwhile i'm watching fflies in my new cave :) if i see something good, then i'll show it! :)

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2019-08-12 20:34 Arno  
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okay, i have done a quick test on the c64 (Clck engine).  
  
\ the formation of this cave (2 ff going left) survives the left border. actually they continu on the line above. this is not surprising, given that c64-caves are stored as an array rather than a matrix. so there isn't really a vertical border. the effect in this cave is probably unique to  krissz ' site.  
  
\ the formation in  Arno  1004 (2 ff + 2 bf going up) breaks at the top border. i see 1 spinning ff at the top line and 2 spinning ff at the bottom line. the butterflies seem to have vanished (strange...). anyway, also different from this site. :-)

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2019-08-12 20:36 shredder  
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this makes  krissz  engine very unique! :)

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2019-08-12 20:54 nesdori  
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very nice research,  shredder  and  Arno !  donsan , the new engine is better than old one if you keep borders closed and set "magic wall stops amoeba" to no. apart from some new objects then its functionality is exactly the same as in c64 construction kit engine (plck) which i think should be the standard engine if there's not a peculiar reason to use any other.

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2019-08-12 21:20 trischi83  
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NOT READ ALL MESSAGES! BUT I KNOW WHY I LIKE OLD ENGINE MORE! ! !   
  
ALL THESE NEW CAVES, WITH THEIRE BUGS! ( NEW bUGS ) NOT MY PART !  
  
BUT CREATE CREATE AND CREATE! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !   
  
SO THE YOUNGER PLAYERS HAS A CHANCE..............................  
  
;- ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) )  
  
A GREAT GREAT GAME AND A GREAT GREAT SIDE FROM  krissz  ! ! ! ! ! !  
  
I DEFINITELY PREFER THE OLD GAME.................................  
  
BUT FASCINATION  THAT YOUNGER ( MUCH YOUNGER PLAYERS ) PLAY THIS  
  
GAME.............................................................  
  
:-ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo   
  
NOW I WILL READ THE REST FROM THE MESSAGES.......................  
  
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2019-08-12 21:25 shredder  
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thumbs up  donsan  ! :)

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2019-08-12 21:29 nesdori  
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 donsan , the bugs are related to open borders which is almost impossible to do without any funny side effect. keep the borders closed and the bugs are gone :)

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2019-08-12 21:32 shredder  
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yeah, if you dont like these tricks and anomalies, you don't have to play this kind of caves :) you have a choice :)

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2019-08-12 22:02 Arno  
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by the way,  shredder , our friend dr. guru (the creator of 'brain delicacy') has posted a reaction on your spaceship-cave:  
  
<a href="http://www.boulder-dash.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=464&start=165" target="external">http://www.boulder-dash.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=464&start=165</a>

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2019-08-12 22:18 shredder  
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wow! :)