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2019-07-29 16:19 shredder  
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short story:  
our hero, the rockford found a burrowed extraterrestial spaceship, instead of mine full of diamonds. as you know, rockford is very good archeologist and suspect that this spacecraft is very old, probably crashed here about 100000 years ago.   
there could be many valuable diamonds from distant alien solar system!   
sounds very good! rockford decides to enter the ship. but the technology is very advanced. rockford need some help and must take a bunch of flies to the ship through the specific hatch.  
  
let the adventure begins!  
  
\\\good luck, and have fun! \\\

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2019-07-29 18:53 shredder  
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cave is fully tested many times. it's crazy :)

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2019-07-29 21:03 Arno  
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 shredder , this is a very impressive cave, both the design and theming! :-)  
  
as it requires both brain and timing skills, this is typically a cave where i first take some time to study the map (today, on my smartphone, while traveling by train, from work to home).  
  
i think i got the main plot, but i won't spoil it now... ;-)   
let's just say that you need multiple ideas from recent caves... :-D  
and i'm not sure if i would get enough diamonds, with the way i have in mind...  
  
anyway... magnificent creation! :-D

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2019-07-29 21:08 shredder  
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wow! thank you  Arno ! i spent many hours on this one :) i love movie "the thing" from 1982 by john carpenter. this is some kind of tribute :) i wonder about your way. i hope i don't miss anything, and there's no shortcuts ;)  Arno , grab the diamonds carefully ;) good luck!

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2019-07-30 00:30 nesdori  
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beautiful cave and i especially liked the story around it. i did some stories myself for some old caves :) as advanced as alien technology is, it still has some bugs in it and there's ´a nasty shortcut. i won't reveal it yet because i'm not sure if you want to hide it from other players. if there will be "show demo to cave owner"-option i would use it now :) i figured out the entire intended solution as well but my solution uses a major shortcut. it was a disappointment that bonus diamond value is 0 because i got lots of them :)

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2019-07-30 10:46 shredder  
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thanks  nesdori  :) i was afraid of eventually shortcut. after work i want to figure it out and eliminate it.  
  
i read the stories of your old caves and i like it very much!   
short description with story and caves becoming more interesting :)  
  
sorry for the 0 bonus points, but i really did not predict any excess diamonds ;)

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2019-07-30 11:07 Atarakushi  
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I Can't even begin to understand how to solve this. i look forward to seeing the solution, haha.

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2019-07-30 12:21 shredder  
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i will show you solution later:) but first, i must deal with the shortcut :)

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2019-07-30 13:44 Donald  
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beautiful. I think i get most of the solution but not entirely.

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2019-07-30 14:53 shredder  
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thanks  Donald  :)   
ok, i think i understand that where was a "bad sector" of this cave.   
 nesdori , did i successfully eliminated the shortcut that you mentioned?  
  
ofcourse, because of patch i did on this cave, i was forced to change a quantity of required diamonds.

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2019-07-30 20:35 nesdori  
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bad sector fixed! :) i didn't find shortcuts anymore. my new solution is most probably the intended solution. but now that bonus diamonds have value i'll later try a trick to get some extra diamonds. it's not a shortcut :)

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2019-07-31 05:53 shredder  
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well done! and thanks for helping me with the sc :) i'll do my run after work. i guess the trick with extra diamond/maybe diamonds but thats what i'm thinking about needs a luck:)

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2019-07-31 15:25 shredder  
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 nesdori , your run is way faster than mine. i think that your 'amoeba releasing' should be very intresting, because of fireflies in the middle :)

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2019-07-31 16:12 nesdori  
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yes, i know, amoeba is the interesting part :) i prepared the middle section so that amoeba releasing is quite easy and always successful. but i won't spoil more yet. some players might still be pondering this cave.

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2019-07-31 16:35 shredder  
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my way is also almost everytime successfull, but unfortunately  time consuming :) one piece of dirt left in the right place do the magic with the fireflies ;)

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2019-07-31 16:38 nesdori  
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i can try one fast push / 4 frames so usually takes just few seconds :)

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2019-07-31 16:51 shredder  
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ofcourse if rockford eats the breakfast before ;) my rockford eats breakfast very rarely ;)

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2019-08-01 16:12 shredder  
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i think i've got your way :) now i can see that i've needlessly separated one firefly by using a growing wall. and ofcourse my rockford was without breakfast again :D the fast push needs few attempts :D

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2019-08-01 16:15 shredder  
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...and i was trying to earn at least 1 extra diamond, but i have no luck :(

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2019-08-01 16:37 nesdori  
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hmm, in my solution all three flies go free because of 3rd fly and growing wall but they all end up circling in place. one of them circles near amoeba chamber door and can be used to unlock it. the door fly isn't visible (neither scrolling mode shows it) but fortunately the other two can be used to aim because they all circle on same phase. now you figured out why i said i can try a fast push every 4 frames :)

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2019-08-01 16:49 shredder  
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i did exactly the same in my 11064 run :) that means, you left the 'magic' dirt piece in the right place ;)   
  
yes, 1 push / 4 frames of circling fly :)   
  
i wonder if the trick that i mentioned before is even possible?  
  
<a href="https://ifotos.pl/z/qseqhqr" target="external">https://ifotos.pl/z/qseqhqr</a>  
  
i'm trying to grab the diamond with fire button and let the amoeba go between the vertical g-walls. i have big dubts about that, because of fire button usage and double g-wall (on top and bottom).

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2019-08-01 17:17 shredder  
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hmm... i've tried it with the butterfly and it works... so if the buttlerfly can pass through the double vertical g-wall by using the fire button (to remove the item holding the walls) maybe the amoeba can do it too... what's your opinion about that  nesdori ? otherwise i can't see any other possibilites to get extra diamonds.

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2019-08-01 17:40 shredder  
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little update: it works. after many tries in the editor :)

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2019-08-01 19:48 nesdori  
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right, it works and that's the bonus diamond i had in mind. also, if you remove the diamond between the walls with fire and amoeba fills it then you got another chance to fill the next spot under the boulder as well by moving left. if that is successful then you got 7 bonus diamonds. the possibility of amoeba fill in both cases is 1/16 (see " Arno  941 tiny curiosity 3" comments) so: you have 1/16 chance to get 1 bonus diamond and 1/256 chance to get 7 diamonds. i'm not going to try 7 diamonds, i don't feel that lucky :)

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2019-08-01 22:37 Arno  
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gotcha! :-)  
  
i decided to open my solution; hope that the time is right now!  
  
my run involves some waiting time, so  nesdori / shredder  i'm curious to see your faster runs :-)  
  
 shredder , i was already impressed when i saw the map, but now that i've played the full run, i can say this cave is definetly in my all-time top 10!   
thanks a lot for creating this cave! :-D

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2019-08-02 08:32 shredder  
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well done  Arno ! :) it is fantastic to read words like this!:) it's very motivating!  
you had to wait with the amoeba opening, because you did not leave a one very important dirt piece in the right place ;)  
  
 nesdori , i'm not even sure if i want try with 1 extra diamond :D  
  
ofcourse time to open the demos is right :)   
  
thanks guys for playing and talking about it:)  
  
hi5! :)

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2019-08-02 18:03 shredder  
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 nesdori , i just watched your demo. it's awesome! i didn't expect that kind of run:) (especially releasing the fflies :) despite the intended solution, our runs are so different! :)

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2019-08-02 18:13 nesdori  
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i liked the method where you brought one of flies back with you through the growing wall :) was that your original intended solution? i guessed that my handling of flies was different from yours because you said that my solution was fast, actually it's played with laptop and execution could be much faster, also i wasn't particularly lucky with pushs.

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2019-08-02 18:19 shredder  
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yes, the primary intended solution was exactly like my 11050 :) it's strange, because i've did the partially tests with your strategy before (3 fflies in the middle) but the one moving free ffly interrupt the circling ones... :) thats why i decided to get rid of one excess ffly :)

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2019-08-02 18:22 shredder  
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and then i saw your score :) btw, i've did some attempts to get 1 extra diamond anyway, but it's frustrating :)