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2021-04-22 21:23 dustin  
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- slot machine -  
inspired by  darkstoorm 's "coin slot machine" cave!   
unlike the previous cave j, this puzzle is by far not as specific :)

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2021-04-22 21:44 DarkStoorM  
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This is really nice! :D

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2021-04-22 22:56 nesdori  
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it's a bit pity that bonus \ value is only 50 and time value is 5 so bonus \ is only worth 10 secs. points-wise is might be better to do just fast 24\ run instead of 25\ but nevertheless i did 25\ because it's quite cool :D

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2021-04-23 01:17 DarkStoorM  
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Time actually gives quite an advantage :p

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2021-04-23 09:11 nesdori  
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 darkstoorm , that's right, unfortunately :) i also made a 24\ speed run. so 1155 = 24\ and 1085 = 25\. 25\ could be better but i can't beat my 24\ score with it :)

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2021-04-23 14:57 dustin  
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 nesdori , i was already wondering if you would record demos and comment this cave, which i thought was equivalent to the bonus\ being possible, which i wasn't sure about :d  
the info i have now - the bonus\ is possible but takes roughly 20 extra seconds, is interesting :) i wanna try to figure out how this works :d  
  
unfortunately, there are some restrictions about the \ values:  
1. \ and bonus\ value must be same on each difficulty level (gdash restriction)  
2. Time value is equal to difficulty level (could be changed in gdash, but i want to keep this pattern from the original games)  
3. both \ and bonus\ value can't be greater than 100 (gdash restriction).  
these restrictions often make it hard for me to find a balance between two extremes:  
\ on low levels, there are usually many bonus\, so a high bonus score would mean that extra lives would be somewhat "spammed".  
\ on high levels with few bonus\ available and with higher time value, a low bonus value means that bonus\ aren't really rewarded, especially if they take a lot of extra efforts.

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2021-04-23 14:58 dustin  
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ah, i got it. it actually looks fairly easy :d

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2021-04-23 15:19 dustin  
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well, not too easy to perform :d actually, if i had noted this during the final tests, i would probably have required 25\ :d

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2021-04-24 15:01 nicol  
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this cave remind me cave  nesdori  - bagatelle

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2021-04-24 19:44 dustin  
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very interesting  nicol ! i didn't know  nesdori 's two bagatelle caves before. great stuff and quite similar indeed! :d

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2021-04-25 19:35 nesdori  
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 dustin , i actually wondered if you knew about 25\ but still decided to go with 24\ requirement so that players don't have to abuse the slot machine :)  
  
i can see now your \ value choices. it indeed is quite hard to get a right balance if you think it from the continuous game perspective with extra lifes and other stuff.  
  
my solutions free. 24\ is full-blooded speed run with some fast pushes to save some time. because of 5 points / sec it's worth it :)

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2021-04-25 22:14 DarkStoorM  
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Now that's a speedrun! :D

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2021-04-26 20:04 dustin  
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wow... :d