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2019-11-02 13:13 Arno  
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and here's the second montezuma's revenge tribute! :-)

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2019-11-02 14:40 dustin  
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awesome solution! haven't got the right timing so often yet...

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2019-11-02 14:45 dustin  
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the passages with the growing walls at the top aren't strictly necessary, because it is also possible to break through the belt from right to left!

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2019-11-02 14:55 Arno  
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ah, the idea came to my mind too, but i didn't really try out as i thought there are already enough timing-tasks in this cave... ;-)

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2019-11-02 16:53 dustin  
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the way the belt can be broken through inspired me for another "cavescanning order" episode! ;d

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2019-11-02 17:23 Arno  
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nice! ;-)  
  
meanwhile, a new dff-article has rolled off the press:  
  
<a href="http://www.boulderdash.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5983#5983" target="external">http://www.boulderdash.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5983#5983</a>  
  
especially useful if you need new cave ideas...! :-)

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2019-11-02 17:26 dustin  
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arrrrr... now i did all the timings with the belt for the first time and missed the second-last butterfly! i'll go to bed, see you next month or so... ;d ;d

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2019-11-02 17:34 dustin  
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wow, what a big article! great stuff! ;d

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2019-11-02 18:03 shredder  
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WHY DONUS DIAMONDS HAVE 0 POINTS? ;( I'M DISAPPOINTED ;p

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2019-11-02 18:04 shredder  
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GOT INTENDED SOLUTION + 2 BONUS ;(

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2019-11-02 18:16 Arno  
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hmmm.. didn't realize that bonus\ are possible with the intended solution. i guess you smash the "belt" after killing the last regular bfly? :-)

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2019-11-02 18:18 shredder  
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no  Arno , my +2\ are way easier :D belt stays alive ;P

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2019-11-02 18:18 shredder  
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can you add some bonus points ? ;D

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2019-11-02 18:21 dustin  
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after  nesdori  got bonud \ in a cave where i absolutely didn't think of this possibility, I've now gotten used to give bonus points whenever the number of required diamonds is smaller than available diamonds plus 9*number of bf plus number of boulders above magic walls plus 199 in case of an amoeba in the cave ;d ;d

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2019-11-02 18:24 shredder  
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me too :) and never again hidden exit :)

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2019-11-02 18:28 dustin  
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ohhhhhh... why not? it's funny... for the designer at least ;d

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2019-11-02 18:34 Arno  
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 shredder , i see what you did. if you agree i'll update this cave and require 2\ more. i see no way to get even more... :-)

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2019-11-02 18:36 shredder  
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yes please! :) but i think that the better way will be to add bonus instead of required :) but it's only my opinion ;)

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2019-11-02 18:38 Arno  
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i did both! :-)

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2019-11-02 18:39 shredder  
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ok :D so in that case, i have to do my run :)

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2019-11-02 18:49 shredder  
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ok got intended 34\ ;)

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2019-11-02 18:55 shredder  
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 dustin , my last hidden exit was used in my 051 cave. that was mistake. i realized that this is not funny :P

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2019-11-02 18:57 shredder  
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 Arno , mega article! inspirational ideed. something for me! because i have no fresh ideas...

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2019-11-02 18:59 shredder  
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i've checked all comments and i see  dustin  is soooo close! almost got it! :) don't give up man! :D

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2019-11-02 19:02 dustin  
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hmmm. i don't see a way for 34\. i think i'm out for today...

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2019-11-02 19:04 dustin  
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 shredder  - i was close for 32\. now for 34\ i don't have a shade of an idea. too much for today xd

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2019-11-02 19:05 shredder  
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 dustin , 34 is very easy. look closer to the first three bf. :D

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2019-11-02 19:13 Arno  
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 dustin , for the extra \\ you need a trick from one of your caves, from  dustin 's bd6...! ;-D

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2019-11-02 19:19 dustin  
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ok, i see now... but not today - i stay strong! ;d i think that this version is really tough for someone who has made all the timings and then notes that he lacks 2\... xd

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2019-11-02 19:26 shredder  
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just not enough attempts man ;)

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2019-11-02 19:31 Arno  
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sorry  dustin ... ;-)  
  
i read the comments about hidden exit; now i remember quite a nasty but crafty use of the hidden exit, in  trischi 's cave 'ultra falling':  
  
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujW3iBYEC8o" target="external">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujW3iBYEC8o</a>

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2019-11-02 19:36 shredder  
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"wtf exit" :D

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2019-11-02 20:17 shredder  
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btw  trischi 's caves...  dustin , if your'e interested, please check the ultra light boulders cave from  trischi 's garage... :)

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2019-11-02 21:05 trischi83  
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troll caves? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  
  
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caves like  Arno  ( your cave ) bd 1 cave c level 5...........  
  
or  Arno  473 heineken and becks..............................  
  
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2019-11-02 21:14 shredder  
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see just one! caves ;d

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2019-11-02 21:22 trischi83  
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und da du aus deutschland bist.....................................  
  
noch die frage aus welcher stadt...................................  
  
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wenn du eine antwort geben moechtest...............................  
  
:-) ) ) ) ) )  
  
and if the community want a translation............................  
  
not  nesdori ........................................................  
  
:-) ) ) ) ) ) )  
  
ask for it.........................................................  
  
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2019-11-02 21:32 shredder  
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 donsan , one brick of community needs translation ;D

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2019-11-02 22:17 dustin  
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 trischi83 / donsan  -i'm from erlangen, bavaria! and you? ;d

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2019-11-02 22:26 dustin  
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 shredder  - i just checked the cave, it looks very complicated and nobody but  trischi  himself has solved it... ;d

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2019-11-02 23:00 nesdori  
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i got 37 diamonds, but..  
  
i had a crazy idea how to get a lot more. use right side flies to clear the exit and then use bottom left flies for pavement for belt and destroy the belt on pavement without moving it! it's almost possible to this. if rockford could pass the belt going left to right (in addition to right to left which it can do now), it would be possible to accomplish that. it's almost possible even without left to right passing ability by releasing two left flies at the same time and then running after them through g-wall but there's either no time to blast the first one or there's no time to clear the chamber for second one. it's so close it's annoying :) i tried every trick to slow down the other fly or temporarily stop it but there's not much to do with just a single line of dirt and heavy boulders. if this had worked, maybe 60+ diamonds would have been possible. if you wonder how it's possible for right side flies to pass the belt, ask killer flies; they might have an idea :)  
  
37 diamonds is just a regular intended run. no tricks.

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2019-11-02 23:04 nesdori  
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correction: release two _right_ side flies and then run after them, not left side.

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2019-11-02 23:23 dustin  
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see,  Arno ? always give bonus points, we have  nesdori ...! ;d

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2019-11-02 23:49 nesdori  
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well it's no surprise that i appreciate bonus diamonds having some value :) whenever i see a new cave, i first try too figure the intended solution and then challenge myself and have some fun by trying to see beyond the obvious and find short cuts or ways to collect more diamonds than intended. if the bonus value is set to zero it spoils some fun :) in some cases it's obvious that bonus isn't possible and sometimes it's intended that the player should collect a certain amount of diamonds and no more and instead hurry to the exit or do something else. in those cases where zero value is intentional and it's designed to be so, it's of course ok.

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2019-11-03 10:24 dustin  
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yeah, i understand retty well that this way to play is a lot of fun! it's always funny if the player sees more than the designer ;d also, when you go "new ways" that were unintended, you can never know in advance whether they will work out or not, so i could imagine that this also gives you an "extra kick"! ;d on the other hand, it caught my attention that you design relatively few own caves - your only caves i saw since i joined the site were remakes of existing caves.   
  
as for me, it's just the other way round - when i play caves by other people, i'm mostly happy as soon as i have found a solution, which is mostly the intended one, and don't really feel like taking hiscore challenges - i think i'm not as good as others in "quick-play" anyway ;d what attracts me most in bd is finding new thoretical ideas and designing challenging and optically nice caves out of them. looks like you're more the "bd player", and i'm more the "bd designer" type! ;d

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2019-11-03 10:38 trischi83  
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2019-11-03 11:05 shredder  
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good mornin ;) hl ? w ? :)

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2019-11-03 11:18 trischi83  
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2019-11-03 11:50 dustin  
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 donsan , i was born in essen and remember well the "schwebebahn"/suspension railway from my childhood! but we moved to bavaria when i was five or six...

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2019-11-03 12:04 trischi83  
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essen, that is near by w-tal with the hanging railway.  
  
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weisswurst, weissbier,schweinshaxe....................  
  
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2019-11-03 12:06 trischi83  
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 shredder .......................................................  
  
which part has to translated?  
  
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2019-11-03 12:08 shredder  
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all clear now :) thx ;)

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2019-11-03 12:37 dustin  
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really a beautiful cave!

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2019-11-03 12:42 dustin  
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 donsan  - weisswurst and weissbier is more in the south, erlangen has quite standard, but very good locals!

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2019-11-03 13:36 shredder  
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btw bavaria, bamberg - schlenkerla. great beer!

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2019-11-03 13:50 Arno  
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my 3 solutions show 3 different ways for the right side.  nesdori : i guess my 37\ run is similar to yours? :-)

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2019-11-03 14:42 nesdori  
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 Arno : my 37´\ very much same as yours :) demo free.  
 dustin : as you can see, boulder drops can be combined; you don't have to memorize so much :)

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2019-11-03 15:07 dustin  
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yeah, i tried dropping the boulders one by one to move the belt - your solutions are much more clever! ;d