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2020-06-23 00:38 DarkStoorM  
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Alright, I think this is one of my favorites!  
  
I have not tested it for unintended solutions, so this might be fun :D

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2020-06-23 13:45 nesdori  
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this is so confusing :) i solve most of the caves in my head before actually trying them out but in case of open border that's quite hard. yes, there are still quite simple rational rules for open border so it's more about the lack of experience solving caves where the border oddities are exploited.

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2020-06-23 13:58 DarkStoorM  
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 nesdori , I'm not sure if this is a new thing, but all I can say is that you can create a BFLY+FFLIES transporter :)

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2020-06-23 14:41 nesdori  
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uhh, stupid me! actually this can be done without open borders too :D

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2020-06-23 14:45 DarkStoorM  
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Really? Maybe I haven't seen enough caves yet! :D Now I'm curious

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2020-06-23 14:49 DarkStoorM  
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OH! I think I know why. I think it's because the gap between the dirt and titanium wall is too small. If I'm correct, that is indeed unintended.  
  
I might patch that, but this might ruin the fun :D

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2020-06-23 14:50 nesdori  
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i think this can be done with 3 fflies + 1 bfly too. the transporter part at least; i'm not sure about the ending.

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2020-06-23 14:52 nesdori  
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it's not about the gap; would work with longer gap too.

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2020-06-23 15:04 DarkStoorM  
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aLRIGHT, NOW i'M WONDERING WHAT OTHER SOLUTIONS ARE POSSIBLE.   
  
tHE ENDING IS A BIT TRICKY, i GUESS MORE fIREFLIES MADE IT EASIER. i SHOULD HAVE LEFT ONLY 1-bfLY AND 1-ffLY ;)

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2020-06-23 15:17 nesdori  
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now i know how to do non-open border 3 fflies + 1 bfly but with 8 \ (1 diamond lost) :( :)

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2020-06-23 15:19 nesdori  
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ok i think i got it. i'll try to build up the whole run..

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2020-06-23 21:57 nesdori  
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it took some time to figure out how to prepare the launch and sync things. the placement of fflies is a little bit more challenging than in  Arno 's launch caves :) i guess the intended border exploitation solution is something quite simple :)

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2020-06-23 22:19 DarkStoorM  
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Nice  nesdori ! How many FFlies did you use? The intended solution uses 1 FFly and 1 BFly and is indeed simple (I think!)  
  
If anyone still wants to try, we can hold the demos hidden

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2020-06-23 22:20 nesdori  
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 darkstoorm , 3 fflies + bfly

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2020-06-24 00:40 DarkStoorM  
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My demo will be visible, you can keep yours hidden  nesdori  for a while.   
mentioned in the next cave.

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2020-06-24 08:12 Arno  
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oh nice! reminds me of 'hocus pocus iv', but you've found a similar effect on the horizontal border! ;-D

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2020-06-24 10:24 nesdori  
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well my solution is also free now because it's well known formation anyway: fright-3 accompanied with a bfly. i kept thinking about this cave and i thought i figured out what your intended solution is but it's a bit different. i have to try my method later; it's also 1 ffly + 1 bfly but i'm not sure it works. the ending probably won't even if transporation does :)

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2020-06-24 10:49 nesdori  
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ok, my method doesn't work. i wasn't sure if  krissz 's "boulder on the border" fix applies to moving objects as well and my idea  was based on that but it doesn't; the fix works only for falling objects.

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2020-06-24 11:04 DarkStoorM  
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Ah, I was curious how that would look like, nice solution anyway!  
  
Good thing I added more flies :D

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2020-06-24 16:12 shredder  
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 darkstoorm , fantastic solution! :O :D i didn't know this kind of "formation" ;o

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2020-06-24 22:57 DarkStoorM  
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Thanks  shredder  :D this one was actually an accident, changed into a new cave :D

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2020-06-25 16:57 shredder  
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that's quite awesome ;) i have some 'accident' caves in my collection too :) for example: butterfly  shredder  machine is typical accident ;d