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2020-05-06 20:58 Arno  
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very interesing cave! for some time i thought that the 6 fflies and light boulders are needed to "multi-blast" the slime/brickwall at the left border to reach the exit. but now i think they are partly needed to save diamonds from converted amoeba, and partly to blast walls to reach those diamonds. full plan not yet clear, however, i succeeded to blast the slime which gives entrance to the left room, and i think this should be the first step...

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2020-05-06 22:37 nesdori  
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 Arno , i think your assumptions are partly correct. multi-blast is not needed but a "single-blast" and "regular blast" are used to protect the diamonds. that leaves 4 boulders and 4 flies to use with the forge. i haven't yet fully figured out how to deal with it but i think some of the left side flies are there just for symmetry and they aren't needed. but i might be wrong :)  shredder , don't give more hints yet, i think we can deal with this cave with  Arno  :)

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2020-05-06 23:10 nesdori  
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.. of course leaves 4 boulders and 3 flies, not 4. maybe there's a role for each fly after all.. :)

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2020-05-06 23:46 shredder  
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in my intended solution all 6 fflies from left room are used.   
but i think i should remove one of them, because this cave can be done with just 5 fflies and imo this solution is way better - more cool.

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2020-05-07 00:29 shredder  
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||| cave patched |||   
  
now it will be more interesting with one light boulder   
and one ffly less ;)

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2020-05-07 08:06 nesdori  
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:-O  
  
:)

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2020-05-07 08:07 shredder  
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yeah i did few complete runs in the editor and damn... this cave is quite tricky! :D

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2020-05-07 09:42 nesdori  
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ok i think i got a nasty way to do this now. probably a shortcut because a few bonus diamonds are available and i don't need all fireflies and boulders :)

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2020-05-07 09:55 shredder  
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i'm curious! :)

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2020-05-07 12:20 nesdori  
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done! 3 bonus \ :)

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2020-05-07 12:23 nesdori  
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i have a feeling that  Arno  had my solution in his mind already yesterday and he was confused after my comments about entirely different (close to the intended, i guess) approach :)

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2020-05-07 13:14 nesdori  
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heh, if there were one more light boulder it's actually possible to get 4 bonus \ :) it's pity that you removed one.. :)

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2020-05-07 13:19 nesdori  
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.. and if there were two more light boulders it's possible to get 5 bonus but increasing the number of boulders further won't increase the number of bonus \ anymore, i guess

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2020-05-07 21:44 Arno  
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got it! :-D  
  
for a long time i thought that the converted diamonds had to be blocked by fflies and boulders below the slime. the single normal boulder at the bottom line were a misleading hint... ;-D  
  
also i expected that all those fflies were needed to blast all 3 wall/slime lines at the left border to reach the exit.  
  
until I realized that the leftmost wall should be g-wall.  
  
very puzzling cave! looking forward to see your runs guys! :-D

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2020-05-07 21:44 shredder  
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well done! thanks for playing guys :) my demo also free :)

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2020-05-07 23:54 dustin  
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what a great brainteaser again! ;d

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2020-05-08 07:53 shredder  
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thanks  dustin , i'm glad you like it :)   
can't wait to see  nesdori 's hyper-run :)

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2020-05-08 09:51 nesdori  
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my run free too. i'm sorry to disappoint you,  shredder , but my run is far from hyper-run :) it's just a simple shortcut exploiting the fact  that slime permeability set to 4 allows picking up the diamonds with a partial block under the slime or without a block at all if the conversion is timed carefully. i did the easier partial block.   
  
if there were one more light boulder then one more extra bunus \ can be achieved by not using a slime block at all and not replacing the "exit-diamond" with a boulder but instead use those boulders to do the standard forge-thing to activate magic wall. then there would be two more diamonds sitting on the slime but rockford must hurry to catch them before they fall through the slime so again pre-determined timing is required. instead of rockford running around the forge the time can be shortened by syncing a fly so that the extra diamonds can be picked up by breaking up the floor immeadiately after the actication using a heavy boulder to hit a fly. that whole run would actually be quite nice timing challenge :) if there were two more lights, then also the exit-\ can be replaced with a light to get another extra \.

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2020-05-08 17:53 shredder  
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i was completely blind for this way :) great! thanks :)  
  
there should be a ti-wall instead of slime ;)