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2020-06-28 13:28 dustin  
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no trolls this time, promise!  
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did you really believe it? :p  
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but one real promise: no hidden exits. honestly. really!

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2020-06-28 14:57 DarkStoorM  
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Have you tested this? :p

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2020-06-28 15:31 dustin  
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a ton of times, yes! just in gdash because of my keyboard ;d

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2020-06-28 15:33 dustin  
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more precisely, i tested it once to ensure the intended solution works, and a ton of times to ensure that no other solution works :p

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2020-06-28 17:39 nesdori  
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 dustin 's intensive testing works; i don't see any bonus \ :)

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2020-06-28 19:36 DarkStoorM  
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I can't find a solution to this cave, but one part gave me an idea for a new cave :D

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2020-06-28 19:43 dustin  
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 nesdori  - when i just saw the cave was solved, i had a good guess who it was ;d  
  
 darkstoorm  - cool, i'm curious to see what you'll come up with! ;d

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2020-06-29 01:14 DarkStoorM  
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I'm exhausted after trying so many solutions on each part, I'm clueless right now :D  
  
I also found out you can hold the object in place by moving up and down, but I didn't actually ended up using it in a cave, it would be pretty similar to the one where you hold the object with horizontal movement

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2020-06-29 11:02 dustin  
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congrat  krissz  - you're the first human player who solved this! :p  
  
 nesdori  - sorry i just couldn't leave this one out ;d  
  
 darkstoorm  - the solution is so much counter-intuitive that i guess you simply didn't try it out because every boulderdasher knows that such a thing just cannot work! it just contradicts one of the very first things we learned about bd! ;d

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2020-06-29 11:50 Arno  
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yay second human solver! found it with little fortune i guess... :-)

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2020-06-29 12:51 krissz  
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I felt I have to looking for the solution near the borders.

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2020-06-29 21:42 dustin  
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good intuition,  krissz ! ;d

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2020-07-01 22:07 Arno  
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i'd like to show my solution now. is it ok? :-)

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2020-07-01 23:31 shredder  
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it's ok to me ;)

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2020-07-02 12:02 dustin  
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alright, mine is free ;d

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2020-07-02 12:07 DarkStoorM  
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aRE YOU SERIOUS... i SPENT A GOOD 200 ATTEMPTS IN THAT ROOM... :d

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2020-07-02 12:28 shredder  
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:D

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2020-07-02 15:58 nesdori  
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 darkstoorm , the solution might indeed be difficult to find by just trying out different sequences. it's a lot easier to figure out by looking at the cave map and pondering out how's the scanning of each object goes (and in which order they are scanned) when rockford moves in the chamber. although borders are open the scanning still goes from top to down and left to right starting from the fixed imaginary border.

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2020-07-02 17:00 DarkStoorM  
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 nesdori , my mistake was just diving right into the cave, trying different moves instead of analyzing it first :D

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2020-07-02 18:15 dustin  
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yeah, there are two subtilties even after figuring out that running right into the ffly is possible:  
1. there are two different timings, and one of them makes the firefly come out immediately and inevitably crush rockford, so only the other timing works.  
2. after touching the firefly, rockford must make one step down, then wait for one frame and only then run out of the room, which can indeed be difficult to figure out by trail-and-erroring.   
  
i used my chessboard and -pieces to figure everything out frame by frame ;d