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2021-06-03 13:39 dustin  
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yup, i think i see what you mean,  nesdori . i missed one deterministic trick for 4 more \\\\ and with a lucky push i can get one more.

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2021-06-03 13:55 nesdori  
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 dustin , so far i think that there are two lucky \:s and both alone are 1/16. so the chance to get both is 1/256. but i'll check this more carefully later if any of the lucky \:s is possible to turn into non-lucky or at least turn it to 1/4. your finding needs only one lucky push or more?

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2021-06-03 14:12 dustin  
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i'm done with what i believe is the perfect deterministic run. i see one 1/16 \. i can guess where the second one is, but i haven't figured it out yet.

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2021-06-03 14:44 dustin  
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i think it won't spoil too much to just reveal it: i get the (20,9) \ - it is the bottom \ of the reverse l-shape in the middle - if i can push the (20,6)| and the (19,5)| at the right moment.  
(standard bd coordinate system with (0,0) at the top-left steelwall corner)

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2021-06-03 15:03 nesdori  
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 dustin , right :) the other one is (4,9). you have to fast push one of |:s two steps to the right to clear enough space to get the bottom \

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2021-06-03 15:45 nesdori  
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 dustin , ha! (4,9) is actually 1/4 if done in a different way. but still no 1/1.. :)

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2021-06-03 16:57 dustin  
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(4,9) was also my guess about the second lucky \, but i don't see it yet...

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2021-06-03 17:04 dustin  
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before you invest 64 lucky attempts - it might be an idea to re-upload the cave with single light \\\ where needed ;) which one is the one you want to lucky-push for the left \?

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2021-06-03 18:23 nesdori  
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 dustin , i either forgot or misread something because i can't reproduce (4,9) 1/4 anymore. i think i just misread. still possible to do it in  two totally different ways. the other requires two separate pushes and the other one two consecutive pushes.  
  
i thought about light | too but i'll try to do a regular run with (9.4) and skip the middle lucky extra for now.

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2021-06-03 20:32 dustin  
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okeli dokeli :d

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2021-06-04 10:58 dustin  
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whoa! did you actually collect both lucky \\ or have i overlooked a deterministic one?

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2021-06-04 11:01 nesdori  
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my current run is 153\ which has 152 deterministic non-lucky \:s + the left edge lucky \.  
  
 dustin , so it seems that i got one more deterministic \ than you which is a bit surprise; it sounded like our runs are similar apart from lucky \:s.  
  
my current guess for maximums:  
  
152: deterministic  
153: 1/16 chance (two options)  
154: 1/256 chance  
  
but i'm certainly not sure about these yet.

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2021-06-04 14:51 dustin  
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well, the \ i missed can virtually only be (23, 10) from the "small q" shape next to the reverse l shape in the middle. it's true i didn't check this one closer.

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2021-06-04 15:32 nesdori  
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 dustin , ahh! that's it then; i got 5/6 FROM THE Q-SHAPE AND (24, 11) IS LEFT. BUT GETTING 5/6 iS TRIVIAL AFTER THE upper side PREparation so i guess you did something different there.

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2021-06-05 10:38 dustin  
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indeed, with my preparations there are too many ||| in the way to get 5/6 of the q-shape. My run visible!

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2021-06-05 11:07 nesdori  
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mine visible too. the next candidate to get more \ (in addition to the lucky one in the middle) is the bottom \ of the q-shape but i really don't see a way to get it.  
  
a spoiler for the next episode: level 4 will be fun. but i also understand if someone thinks it's the most dullest of 'em all :)

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2021-06-05 12:01 DarkStoorM  
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I'm not lucky enough to try this, but is this the 154th? :D <a href="https://streamable.com/y7fwu9" target="external">https://streamable.com/y7fwu9</a>

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2021-06-05 12:14 nesdori  
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 darkstoorm , that's it exactly. two lucky pushes needed so 1/16. i don't see a way to get it with just one lucky push. if someone can, let everyone know. although \ hunting projects primarily are about the maximum number of \ i would like also to know what is the minimum amount of luck needed to get extra lucky \:s in addition to deterministic \:s.

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2021-06-05 13:25 dustin  
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 nesdori , yes i think the minimum amount of luck also belongs to the final result. one could define the value "maximum \ with average luck". this would actually be 152 1/8 here, but this value would increase if luck can be decreased ;)

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2021-06-05 13:28 dustin  
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and i also pre-checked i/4. my first thought was indeed "uh, how dull", but we have at least one interesting spot there ;)