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2020-03-16 16:48 dustin  
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 Arno  and i agreed that 72\ is the maximum, and this demands some unusual and originally unintended-looking detours!   
  
in case someone can still get bonus \, they will be richly rewarded! ;d

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2020-03-16 16:52 dustin  
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from  Arno  dash 10, cave 12

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2020-03-17 01:57 nesdori  
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thanks for the reward! :) (i think 73 \ is the max, 74 is close but there's a scanning order issue.. :)

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2020-03-17 02:31 dustin  
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 nesdori , i really started to miss your "wait! there's a bonus diamond!"s, which i realize now that this feeling of curious shock flows through me once again ;d  
  
tomorrow, i'll try to figure out how you could possibly have done it before you unlock your solution! ;d

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2020-03-17 08:49 Arno  
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i'm almost sure it's not from the left-most butterfly. there's the scanning order issue so only 4\ could be get there...

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2020-03-17 09:00 nesdori  
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 Arno , i'm talking about different issue.. :)

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2020-03-17 11:18 dustin  
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ok, i see the cavescan issue that prevents 74\. what i don't see yet is the actual 73\ solution. i'll keep thinking ;d

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2020-03-17 11:41 dustin  
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or maybe it was a thinking error ;d  nesdori , am i right that you managed to blast the boulder that was supposed to smash the leftmost butterfly?

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2020-03-17 11:50 dustin  
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and if yes, am i also right that you need help by at least one fly to do so?

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2020-03-17 11:53 nesdori  
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the scanning issue i'm talking about is continuation to the first bonus diamond and not separate option to get another bonus.  
  
 dustin , blasting the boulder looks quite hard.. but then again, are there really other options? :)

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2020-03-17 12:36 Arno  
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the only other option i see is dropping an extra boulder in the magic wall, but that seems impossible.  
  
for blasting the boulder at the left-most butterfly, you need a boulder or diamond at the position just at the left of that boulder. i don't see a way to accomplish that yet...

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2020-03-17 12:50 dustin  
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 nesdori : yes, i see a theoretical way to get another rock through the magic wall. the only problem is, this also costs a rock, so in the end the wall converts nine \ anyway ;d  
ok, i'm glad to see that i'm right so far.  
  
 Arno : these are my thoughts too. i see a weird kind of idea to accomplish the blast of the boulder, but not without help of one or more flies. it looks completely crazy ;d

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2020-03-17 12:53 dustin  
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 trischi , you obviously have a sane, nice regular run ;d

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2020-03-17 13:24 Arno  
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ok, is see a way...  
  
there are 3\ diagonally placed in the room next to the left bf.  
smash a butterfly at the position of the middle diamond and assure that (with right timing)! a firefly approaches at the right side of this explosion, such that it will explode by the top\ moving to the right directly after the bf explosion.  
  
you sacrifice 4 diamonds, but gain 5 extra, which gives 1 bonus.  
  
this is probably very hard to do as it requires a perfect timing between bf and ff.

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2020-03-17 13:42 nesdori  
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 Arno , your way is correct. doing the timing was surprisingly easy; i used a boulder on the bottom line to adjust firefly's path length. now that you figured out the solution my demo is free.

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2020-03-17 13:53 nesdori  
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note that the upper fireflies going along path of 5 spaces and the butterfly under the diamonds are always on sync because firefly path length is 12 cycles and butterfly of course 4 cycles. so once you figure out how to set up cave so that bfly and ffly timings are correct you can repeat it successfully every time. the only luck needed is a fast boulder push to smash the bfly.

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2020-03-17 14:03 Arno  
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yess, very freaky, insane run! :-D

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2020-03-17 14:31 trischi83  
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so long only 72 \!  
  
;- ) ) ) ) ) ) ) )   
  
insane run nedori!  
  
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will try my time..  
  
to find a better..  
  
way for me........  
  
:- ) ) ) ) ) ) ) )  
  
but the bonus\\\\\  
  
have to much points  
  
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2020-03-17 14:52 Arno  
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 nesdori , just another question.  
  
recently i've created a cave showing a launch-method for sinking-f6.  
  
i remember that when you discovered this dff, you wrote that you had a cave in mind using this dff, in arcade game style. are you still planning to create that cave? the theme made me curious ;-)

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2020-03-17 16:59 dustin  
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wow, great! this very much deserves 888 bonus points! ;d  
 trischi , to beat this hiscore without the bonus \ you just have to make it in... er... 32 seconds. this should be very easy ;d ;d

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2020-03-17 18:53 trischi83  
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ja wirklich sehr leicht...........................................  
  
in reality  very easy.............................................  
  
ich habe den lauf gesehen.........................................  
  
i have seen the run...............................................  
  
from ( von )  nesdori ..............................................  
  
genialer lauf.....................................................  
  
great run, solution...............................................  
  
 Arno  nennt ihn proffesor..........................................  
  
 Arno  call him profeesor...........................................  
  
zu recht..........................................................  
  
that is correct...................................................  
  
du muß auf die schreibweise achten. nein das werde ich jetzt nicht   
  
uebersetzen.  trischi  sein zugang! christian und ich spielen hier...  
  
ich bin der gestoerte und christian der creative...................  
  
eine wunderbare symbiose...........................................  
  
best way ever......................................................  
  
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2020-03-17 22:17 nesdori  
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 Arno , oh yes i had an arcade game style cave idea with a sinking-f6 mothership where it "sends" other ships (formations) and a city with skyscrapers had to use various methods to stop the side attacks and finally the mothership. i had some ideas but i never really started to create the cave :)

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2020-03-18 07:51 Arno  
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sounds cool! :-D

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2020-03-18 10:36 dustin  
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 trischi  - gestoert ist immer gut ;d  
  
 nesdori  - wow, that sounds fantastic! if there's any chance to persuade you to make that cave, here i go!   
*persuade* *persuade* *persuade* *persuade* *persuade* *persuade* *persuade* *copy and pa... er, i mean, persuade* *persuade* *persuade*  
this should do for today, more of this tomorrow until you start the cave ;d

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2020-03-18 19:08 shredder  
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insane run  nesdori  :) i can't stop watching demo :D