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2019-08-07 20:27 Arno  
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for this cave you need a new(?) effect which i discovered a few days ago.   
in 3 variants! :-D

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2019-08-07 21:22 trischi83  
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do not use a kawasaki  Arno ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !  
  
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listen to " self esteem "........................  
  
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2019-08-08 08:50 shredder  
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 donsan : kAWI KX450F? ;)  
  
 Arno : I'M TRYING, BUT SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH MY ATTEMPTS. FOR NOW I'M EXPERIMENTING WITH 1ST CHAMBER ( 1BFLY AND 2FFLIES ).  
  
I DO A 2 FFLY VORTEX + BFLY AND IT WORKS. 3 DANCING FLIES GOING UP. BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE UPPER SECTION. WHEN TRIO ARRIVE TO THE UPPER SECTION AND HIT THE TI-WALL, 1 FFLY STARTS TO GOING AROUND. SECOND FFLY AND BFLY CIRCLING. WHEN I LET 1ST FFLY TO HIT THE CIRCLING ONES, ONE FFLY START TO GOING BACK AND HITS THE VOODOO...  
  
I NEED ONE HINT:) IN THE UPPER SECTION, SHOULD I THINK ABOUT SOME FLY TRANSFERS? FROM ONE CHAMBER TO THE OTHER, TO AVOID THE SITUATION WITH RETURNING FFLY? OR JUST I'M DOING IT WRONG AND MY DANCING TRIO IS NOT CORRECT? :)  
  
PS. GREAT CAVE! :) AND CONGRATS! 1000 CAVES ON  krissz  SITE! :)

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2019-08-08 09:30 Arno  
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hi  shredder ! :-)  
  
your dancing trio for the first room is probably correct, altough i'm using a different method (without vortex), which actually works for all 3 rooms. i will post a small cave showing an automatic launch of 4 flies (like in the 3rd room) tonighT!  
  
when the trio arrives at the top, close the room using the g-wall when the first fly hits the t-wall. this should happen at the right moment, otherwise a voodoo is hit. For me it works when i launch the g-wall about 1 frame after i saw the first ffly hitting the t-wall. for the other 2 rooms, a less strict timing is needed so these are less hard.  
  
it is not necessary to move flies to different rooms. the top part is supposted to be relatively easy. The main challenge is to find the correct launch method, and timing the 3 launches.  
  
thx for playing! :-D

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2019-08-08 10:49 shredder  
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hi  Arno ! thanks for explaining :) now it's more clear to me :)

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2019-08-08 11:25 nesdori  
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 Arno , please do not post your launch cave yet, i want to first try it myself. especially 4 flies tube is interesting :)

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2019-08-08 11:50 shredder  
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yes, hold it for a while plese ;)

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2019-08-08 12:14 shredder  
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dealing with the flies in the top room is a great fun! :)

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2019-08-08 12:25 trischi83  
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 shredder . Ninja  H2R.  
  
:-ooooooooooo

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2019-08-08 12:27 shredder  
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beautifull beast! but i prefere a dirtbikes! :D

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2019-08-08 12:40 nesdori  
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i prefer bicycle, and virtually action biker and bmx simulator :)

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2019-08-08 13:08 Arno  
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the cave i have prepared is quite shocking (for a different reason)... but i'll hold it for now!   
;-)

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2019-08-08 13:34 nesdori  
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now i figured out all tubes but i have to practise launching :) it's actually also possible to move 5 flies along a tube of same width; 3 bflys + 2 fflys. i'll check if that formation is launchable and maybe i'll create another cave later :)

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2019-08-08 13:41 nesdori  
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and of course 3 bflys + 2 fflys can also be broken into two separate rising groups: 2 FFlys + 1 Bfly and 2 * BFly. but the cave can be designed in such a way that it have to be handled as one group.

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2019-08-08 14:08 nesdori  
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ohh.. and there's more. i'll do a tech demo about it :)

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2019-08-08 14:58 Arno  
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that sounds really interesting,  nesdori ! :-o :-)

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2019-08-08 19:53 trischi83  
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NACHRIchten ABhoeren, wichtig!  trischi  pennt! ...ey Opi, ...EY brassmann, ...ey inventar

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2019-08-09 19:25 shredder  
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i think i got the first two chambers launch, but have problems in the third one :) i'm still trying ;)

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2019-08-09 21:09 Arno  
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great! good luck! :-)

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2019-08-10 16:47 Arno  
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can i post the launch-cave now? :-)

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2019-08-10 17:53 shredder  
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i still have problem in the third variant.  
  
1st - i do a ffly vortex and add bfly. it works.  
2nd - i do a bfly-ffly dance and add bfly. it works.  
  
3rd - i can't find a proper way. in the editor i can set the group correctly by ffly vortex and add 2 bflies with single space between.   
when i'm trying with this in the game, always failed :)  
  
 Arno , you mentioned before that you don't use a vortex. maybe i should focus on my second variant method and try it in the third one? :)

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2019-08-10 19:26 shredder  
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i'll willingly see the launch cave ;D

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2019-08-10 19:32 Arno  
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 shredder , the way i do tube 3 sounds much like your way for tube 2.  
  
indeed you need both a spinning ffly and spinning bfly, where both 2x2 squares overlap by one position. that is: the top-right position of the spinning ffly is the same as the bottom-left position of the spinning bfly.  
  
you probably need to use the heavy boulder to create this "spinning pair". in the design phase i could not find a way without rockford touching one of the flies and exploding. therefore, i added the boulder.  
  
next, you need to bring the remaining ffly and bfly at the same time, such that when the ffly arrives it creates a vortex with the spinning fly, and the arriving bfly does the same with the spinning bfly. in other words, 2 vortices are created at the same time.  
  
in my view, this whole dancing combination consists of 2 interacting vortices. :-)

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2019-08-10 19:38 Arno  
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see  Arno  1004 now... :-)

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2019-08-10 23:53 shredder  
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yes, great invention!:) now i'm very close with the 3rd launch ;) got the right dance of ffly+bfly. now i'm working on the timing with remaining 2 flies. this part is little bit frustrating :D

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2019-08-11 11:06 Arno  
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sorry for making it frustrating! ;-) but you're very close now! the hardest part for me was to find a working launch method. :-)

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2019-08-11 12:15 shredder  
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it's frustrating no more, because i've got it at last :)   
first and second launch is not so hard, but the third realy is! :)   
  
it's funny to watch two flies at once (1 circling and 1 remaining) and pick the right moment to free remaining two :)

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2019-08-11 15:02 Arno  
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i've solved your panama joe cave! :-)

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2019-08-11 15:13 shredder  
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good job! :D now i'm trying entire run of this one :)

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2019-08-12 17:23 shredder  
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boom! \\\ got it! :) \\\ three different launches :) fantastic cave  Arno ! hi5! :)

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2019-08-12 19:47 Arno  
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outstanding performance  shredder ! congratulations! :-D  
  
i'm planning to open my solution tomorrow, unless someone requests to hold it longer... :-)

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2019-08-12 19:55 shredder  
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thanks! i think i could do it faster, because my run after third launch was little bit lazy and my launches can be faster too;)  
in that case i'll hold my run too. :)   
have fun for all who want to try this one! :) it's worth of try! great fun! :)

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2019-08-13 20:05 Arno  
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very nice to see some different launch methods. good run  shredder ! :-)

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2019-08-13 22:56 shredder  
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this is a great lesson about fly formations! it's amazing to be able to try something like this as intended way! :)